The Gun Control Thread

[Kristy]

Already been posted. Of course, I'd of rather hit him with a 9mm using hollow-points. No "over-penetration" to worry about, and he might not have made it to the hospital...

Excellent Wiki research you did there, Nick.

Keep up the good work

[DONNIEP]

How do they enforce that though? It would be relatively easy to monitor gun shows, or even a garage/estate sale that was advertised in the local newspaper or on Craigslist or whatever. But if one individual sells or gives away another gun to an individual and skips the check, how would anybody know.....at least until the buyer is either dead or in custody after a killing spree.

That's right. Someone intent on breaking my state's law can certainly do so. The only way to prevent that from happening is to go door to door confiscating everyone's firearms. That way nobody could possibly illegally sell or give away a gun.

[DONNIEP]

Any rational person would agree to that. The problem is the people that AREN'T.

The problem is that both sides are ruled by the extremists and you can't even have a conversation about the issue without the "left" calling for draconian gun laws (as in D.C.) and the "right" howling that any reasonable restrictions are infringements upon one's right to bear arms. I know, who defines "reasonable"? Well, I just did earlier...

[jhale667]

In addition to a ballistics database, why not an RFID chip in every gun to track it's history in the event it is lost, stolen, or used in the commission of a crime. Not saying punish victims of theft (before one of the gun-nuts goes nightmare scenario), but if your gun gets stolen and you don't report it immediately that should raise suspicion...

[jhale667]

The problem is that both sides are ruled by the extremists and you can't even have a conversation about the issue without the "left" calling for draconian gun laws (as in D.C.) and the "right" howling that any reasonable restrictions are infringements upon one's right to bear arms. I know, who defines "reasonable"? Well, I just did earlier...

Funny, I'm considered a "lefty" here, and neither I nor anyone I've seen here is calling or has called for a complete gun ban (haven't seen it proposed anywhere else, either). The extremism is coming way more from the "Moar guns" right.

[DONNIEP]

Funny, I'm considered a "lefty" here, and neither I nor anyone I've seen here is calling or has called for a complete gun ban (haven't seen it proposed anywhere else, either). The extremism is coming way more from the "Moar guns" right.

I was talking about our "representatives" and the "special interest groups" in Washington. Not us. Hell, if we went to Washington we could probably come up with some good solutions in a week. And that's including time devoted to strip clubs and drinking

[Seshmeister]

In addition to a ballistics database, why not an RFID chip in every gun to track it's history in the event it is lost, stolen, or used in the commission of a crime. Not saying punish victims of theft (before one of the gun-nuts goes nightmare scenario), but if your gun gets stolen and you don't report it immediately that should raise suspicion...

A compulsory chip that only let the owner(s) fire the gun could save over 200 children's lives a year in the US who die in accidents playing with them.

[jhale667]

A compulsory chip that only let the owner(s) fire the gun could save over 200 children's lives a year in the US who die in accidents playing with them.

That was used to hilarious effect in "Skyfall", btw. I agree, but playing devil's advocate here - wouldn't someone complain that their entire family should have the ability to fire the gun, should they be incapacitated and need "protectin'"?

Like hypothetically, when the brown horde of thugs he fantasizes about eventually raids ELBOW's trailer park - and they immediately subdue him - his "wife" will pick up one of his guns (instead of her own in the heat of the moment, y'know, imagining they're a family of gun-nuts) and won't be able to "protect him frum da tryranny of gubermint".... see?

[Seshmeister]

I guess at that point we are just reinforcing Darwin...

[Seshmeister]

Predictably the NRA are against Smart Guns

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_Gun

[DONNIEP]

Not trying to argue here, but do I live in the only part of the country that actually has home invasions (we used to call them break-ins) ? Actual honest-to-god armed criminals kicking down doors in the middle of the night? It's never happened to me but it's not all that rare in the greater metro area.

[BigBadBrian]

If you don't do proper background checks, how do you know they are law abiding?

Innocent until proven guilty: the American Way.

[Seshmeister]

But if you are a convicted criminal you have been proven to be guilty.

But I agree when the NRA says 'law abiding' it actually means 'all no matter whether they are killers or mental cases'.

[jhale667]

Innocent until proven guilty: the American Way.

Amazing how hyporcritical conservatives are about this... the same papers-please folks that want drug testing for public assistance for poor people to EAT balk at background checks for people wanting to own the means to potentially kill people.

[jhale667]

GHOUL!!