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You let her and her immediate family make that decision after consultation with the doctor, and/or her specialist doctors...
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Which is exactly what was done. And then Grandma went to be with Jesus
And I've hated the pharmaceutical industry ever since........
But in your earlier posts you seemed to think it was somehow "wrong" to allow patients and/or their families the right to make those decisions. As hard and painful as they are.Eat Us And Smile
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If we're talking about God and heaven then, this is apropriate.
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Actually under this bill... Grandma's physicians would have been required to counsel her and the family on the scenarios and preferred treatment or non-treatments long before the renal failure and other stuff had her suffering.
I think the key provision which I'm in favor of... is requiring comprehensive consultations before being confronted with a critical situation. Hopefully while the patient is still in a mental state to understand and make informed decisions on their future treatments. Then it's documented and goes wherever the patient goes. Key feature...
This prevents doctors from ordering up treatments and passing the patient off to the next guy who orders up more tests, treatments, etc... There's a complete lack of continuity among the medical community unless you live in some very small town or similar."If you want to be a monk... you gotta cook a lot of rice...”Comment
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As I mentioned, her heart wasn't in the greatest shape, and she was in and out of hospitals because of that. Eventually had to be tied to a portable oxygen tank and moved in with my parents because she couldn't be on her own. The only thing surprising in all of that was that her kidneys ended up being what killed her, rather than her heart. And it was the heart medication that did it.
Well I'm not sure how they do it in Texas (or Louisiana), but I'm pretty sure that's exactly what is done, in every case I've seen in Washington or Arizona, at least.I think the key provision which I'm in favor of... is requiring comprehensive consultations before being confronted with a critical situation. Hopefully while the patient is still in a mental state to understand and make informed decisions on their future treatments. Then it's documented and goes wherever the patient goes. Key feature...
This prevents doctors from ordering up treatments and passing the patient off to the next guy who orders up more tests, treatments, etc... There's a complete lack of continuity among the medical community unless you live in some very small town or similar.Eat Us And Smile
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Well, thanks for giving some insight and sorry to hear the outcome...
God Bless you grandmother...
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Thanks.... that was way back in 1996, so it hurts a lot less now than it did then. But I lost a lot of faith in "modern medicine" through that, and a few other similar processes through the years. Sure, people get old, their bodies fall apart and they die. But it doesn't make any sense to me that you would take a drug to help one organ that kills another.Eat Us And Smile
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Exactly, but thanks again...Comment
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And I understand...Comment
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Moreover, this is not just an old person’s issue, Elvis.
When I was dying from "heart failure" and I spoke to my doctor about stopping all medications and let nature take its course, instead of an exploratory operation, there was nothing in place to address my choice. In addition, it brought fear to my doctor; I could see it in his eyes.
Grant the outcome was different. Either due to his fear or desperation of not wanting to help a patient pass, which made him dig deep into any and every test, therefore finally found what the medical condition was.
However, had the medical community not been run by profit and pharmacopeias my condition would have been managed long before it became a crisis.
My sympathy to you Ford for your experience and loss of a loved on through the US health industry.MICHAEL G. MULLENTo put it simply, we need to worry a lot less about how to communicate our actions and much more about what our actions communicate.Comment
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We're gonna have to chat standin.
I am in heart failure and afib, but with a high quality of life and a smiling "We all have to go from something" attitude. They gave me 5 to 10 years to rock out to the real Van Halen and I said, "OWWWWW YEAH!"
My case was an emergency, and they way I was feeling made me decide to head into D.C. to the VA ER and be seen by a doctor STAT. I have to say that I have been given excellent timely care and monitoring.
Going to the VA spared me the cash game and delays inherent in a public hospital.
Thank you God and country.
What would the best health care system be anyway? People should be able to walk into any hospital anywhere and just say, "I'm sick" and be treated by a doctor that day, but until greed is overcome many people will continue to suffer by the wayside.
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Pop over to my blog here VanHalener, I have a chat module set up. Or, drop me a PM and I’ll give you an accessible yahoo chat ID or restricted email that can carry off line conversations.
Heart failure is quite an adventure in its self. People that have not experienced their heart stopping for brief periods cannot understand the feeling.
There was talk about a heart afib for me, but my decent was happening fast. As screwed up as it sounds I would not want to have not experienced what I did. I am not thrilled that I did experience it. But, there is a direct connection to life and your heart and people that have not crossed that threshold don’t quite grasp the intensity of that connection.
It is a long shot to an extent, depending on your background, and experimental, nevertheless, noninvasive and not expensive.MICHAEL G. MULLENTo put it simply, we need to worry a lot less about how to communicate our actions and much more about what our actions communicate.Comment
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