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  • ZahZoo
    ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

    • Jan 2004
    • 8973

    Originally posted by Va Beach VH Fan
    I know around here not only are there VA Beach police officers at the majority of middle and high schools daily, but their squad cars are parked right near the front door....

    Of course, that gets into a funding issue for the schools....

    And with the schools' budgets already strapped, they would need funding to provide that....
    Well I like where Pojo was going with this... a program similar to the current Air-Marshall's. One could be armed and blend into a school environment.

    On the funding side... Someone mentioned National Guard. Well we got hundreds of thousands of fully trained, combat and security experienced personnel due to the decade in Iraq/Afghanistan. Many of which are struggling to find and hold meaningful employment...

    How much of a shift in state and federal defense funding would it be to establish a school resource officer program? Rather than protect someone else's brats who hate and want to kill us... how about protecting our own for once??

    How difficult or costly would it be to dress Guard's men/women in civilian clothes, properly armed, trained in our schools. There's plenty of personnel to rotate... they already have plenty of weapons and defensive resources, communication infrastructure, etc... Hell we've got fleets of Humvees parked all over the nation getting minimal use... a quick paint job to mirror local law enforcement or Dale Earnhardt Jr's paint scheme and park those out front of every school. This puts no strain on local law enforcement nor school funding...
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    • Nickdfresh
      SUPER MODERATOR

      • Oct 2004
      • 49219

      Originally posted by ELVIS
      And we should find out soon enough, unless it's a black op and it will of course be covered up...

      Much like the guy in the woods and the maroon van that left the scene with one of the rear windows shot out...
      That's just fucking retarded. Everything is a "black op" if it doesn't turn out to be what you believe to be. Maybe there's a secret conspiracy regarding all your life's disappointments then? If only we weren't just puppets of the Illuminati!

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      • Va Beach VH Fan
        ROTH ARMY FOUNDER
        • Dec 2003
        • 17913

        Originally posted by ZahZoo
        Well I like where Pojo was going with this... a program similar to the current Air-Marshall's. One could be armed and blend into a school environment.
        I don't see the desire to "blend"....

        Wouldn't you rather have the deterrence right out in the open as I described before, with the cruiser right in front of the school, knowing the officer is in the building?

        Might just be enough to make the wackjob think twice....
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        • Angel
          ROTH ARMY SUPREME
          • Jan 2004
          • 7481

          Originally posted by ELVIS
          Stop playing dumb, stupid hoser...

          You said more guns equals more crime and vice versa...

          And that's complete made up bullshit...
          Learn how to read stupid 'Murican. I said more guns = more gun violence. We have gun control here. That means we have less guns per capita. We also have far less gun violence. Pretty simple mathematical equation...
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          • ELVIS
            Banned
            • Dec 2003
            • 44120

            PROOF that Big Pharma is to blame in these instances...

            Link!

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            School Shooting Prozac Antidepressant 2005-03-24 Minnesota **10 Dead: 7 Wounded: Dosage Increased One Week before Rampage

            School Shooting Paxil [Seroxat] Antidepressant 2001-03-10 Pennsylvania **14 Year Old GIRL Shoots & Wounds Classmate at Catholic School

            School Shooting Zoloft Antidepressant & ADHD Med 2011-07-11 Alabama **14 Year Old Kills Fellow Middle School Student

            School Shooting Zoloft Antidepressant 1995-10-12 South Carolina **15 Year Old Shoots Two Teachers, Killing One: Then Kills Himself

            School Shooting Med For Depression 2009-03-13 Germany **16 Dead Including Shooter: Antidepressant Use: Shooter in Treatment For Depression

            School Hostage Situation Med For Depression 2010-12-15 France **17 Year Old with Sword Holds 20 Children & Teacher Hostage

            School Shooting Plot Med For Depression WITHDRAWAL 2008-08-28 Texas **18 Year Old Plots a Columbine School Attack

            School Shooting Anafranil Antidepressant 1988-05-20 Illinois **29 Year Old WOMAN Kills One Child: Wounds Five: Kills Self

            School Shooting Luvox/Zoloft Antidepressants 1999-04-20 Colorado **COLUMBINE: 15 Dead: 24 Wounded

            School Stabbings Antidepressants 2001-06-09 Japan **Eight Dead: 15 Wounded: Assailant Had Taken 10 Times his Normal Dose of Depression Med

            School Shooting Prozac Antidepressant WITHDRAWAL 1998-05-21 Oregon **Four Dead: Twenty Injured

            School Stabbing Med For Depression 2011-10-25 Washington **Girl, 15, Stabs Two Girls in School Restroom: 1 Is In Critical Condition

            School Shooting Antidepressant 2006-09-30 Colorado **Man Assaults Girls: Kills One & Self

            School Machete Attack Med for Depression 2001-09-26 Pennsylvania **Man Attacks 11 Children & 3 Teachers at Elementary School

            School Shooting Related Luvox 1993-07-23 Florida **Man Commits Murder During Clinical Trial for Luvox: Same Drug as in COLUMBINE: Never Reported

            School Hostage Situation Cymbalta Antidepressant WITHDRAWAL 2009-11-09 New York **Man With Gun Inside School Holds Principal Hostage

            School Shooting Antidepressants 1992-09-20 Texas **Man, Angry Over Daughter's Report Card, Shoots 14 Rounds inside Elementary School

            School Shooting SSRI 2010-02-19 Finland **On Sept. 23, 2008 a Finnish Student Shot & Killed 9 Students Before Killing Himself

            School Shooting Threat Med for Depression* 2004-10-19 New Jersey **Over-Medicated Teen Brings Loaded Handguns to School

            School Shooting Antidepressant? 2007-04-18 Virginia **Possible SSRI Use: 33 Dead at Virginia Tech

            School Shooting Antidepressant? 2002-01-17 Virginia **Possible SSRI Withdrawal Mania: 3 Dead at Law School

            School Incident/Bizarre Zoloft* 2010-08-22 Australia **School Counselor Exhibits Bizarre Behavior: Became Manic On Zoloft

            School/Assault Antidepressant 2009-11-04 California **School Custodian Assaults Student & Principal: Had Manic Reaction From Depression Med

            School Shooting Prozac Antidepressant 1992-01-30 Michigan **School Teacher Shoots & Kills His Superintendent at School

            School Shooting Threats Celexa Antidepressant 2010-01-25 Virginia **Senior in High School Theatens to Kill 4 Classmates: Facebook Involved: Bail Denied

            School Violence/Murder Antidepressants* 1998-05-04 New York **Sheriff's Deputy Shoots his Wife in an Elementary School

            School Knifing/Murder Meds For Depression & ADHD 2010-04-28 Massachusetts **Sixteen Year Old Kills 15 Year Old in High School Bathroom in Sept. 2009

            School Stabbing Wellbutrin 2006-12-04 Indiana **Stabbing by 17 Year Old At High School: Charged with Attempted Murder

            School Threat Antidepressants 2007-04-23 Mississippi **Student Arrested for Making School Threat Over Internet

            School Suspension Lexapro Antidepressant 2007-07-28 Arkansas **Student Has 11 Incidents with Police During his 16 Months on Lexapro

            School Shooting Antidepressant WITHDRAWAL 2007-11-07 Finland **Student Kills 8: Wounds 10: Kills Self: High School in Finland

            School Shooting Paxil [Seroxat] Antidepressant 2004-02-09 New York **Student Shoots Teacher in Leg at School

            School Threat Prozac Antidepressant 2008-01-25 Washington **Student Takes Loaded Shotgun & 3 Rifles to School Parking Lot: Plans Suicide

            School Shooting Plot Med For Depression 1998-12-01 Wisconsin **Teen Accused of Plotting to Gun Down Students at School

            School/Assault Zoloft Antidepressant 2006-02-15 Tennessee **Teen Attacks Teacher at School

            School Shooting Threat Antidepressant 1999-04-16 Idaho **Teen Fires Gun in School

            School Hostage Situation Paxil & Effexor Antidepressants 2001-04-15 Washington **Teen Holds Classmates Hostage with a Gun

            School Hostage Situation Antidepressant WITHDRAWAL 2006-11-28 North Carolina **Teen Holds Teacher & Student Hostage with Gun

            School Knife Attack Med for Depression 2006-12-06 Indiana **Teen Knife Attacks Fellow Student

            School Massacre Plot Prozac Withdrawal 2011-02-23 Virginia **Teen Sentenced to 12 Years in Prison For Columbine Style Plot

            School Shooting Celexa & Effexor Antidepressants 2001-04-19 California **Teen Shoots at Classmates in School

            School Shooting Celexa Antidepressant 2006-08-30 North Carolina **Teen Shoots at Two Students: Kills his Father: Celexa Found Among his Personal Effects

            School Shooting Meds For Depression & ADHD 2011-03-18 South Carolina **Teen Shoots School Official: Pipe Bombs Found in Backpack

            School Shooting Threat Antidepressant 2003-05-31 Michigan **Teen Threatens School Shooting: Charge is Terrorism

            School Stand-Off Zoloft Antidepressant 1998-04-13 Idaho **Teen [14 Years Old] in School Holds Police At Bay: Fires Shots

            School Shooting Antidepressant WITHDRAWAL 2007-10-12 Ohio **Teen [14 Years Old] School Shooter Possibly on Antidepressants or In Withdrawal

            School Threat Antidepressants 2008-03-20 Indiana **Teen [16 Years Old] Brings Gun to School: There Is a Lockdown

            School Suicide/Lockdown Med For Depression 2008-02-20 Idaho **Teen [16 Years Old] Kills Self at High School: Lockdown by Police

            School Threats Prozac Antidepressant 1999-10-19 Florida **Teen [16 Years Old] Threatens Classmates With Knife & Fake Explosives

            School Stabbing Med For Depression 2008-02-29 Texas **Teen [17 Year Old GIRL] Stabs Friend & Principal at High School

            School Hostage Situation Prozac/ Paxil Antidepressants 2001-01-18 California **Teen [17 Years Old] Takes Girl Hostage at School: He is Killed by Police

            School Knife Attack Treatment For Depression & Strattera 2009-03-10 Belgium **Three Dead in
            School Day Care: Two Children & a Caregiver: Happened Jan 23, 2009

            School Shooting Plot Antidepressants 2009-09-22 England **Two English School Boys Plot to Blow Up High School

            School Arson Incidents Paxil 2002-04-12 Michigan **Unusual Personality Change on Paxil Caused 15 Year Old to Set Fires inside High School

            School Bomb Threat Med For Depression 2009-06-29 Australia **Vexed Father Makes Bomb Threat Against Elementary School

            School Violence Antidepressant 2005-11-19 Arizona **Violent 8 Year Old GIRL Handcuffed by Police at School

            School Violence Celexa Antidepressant 2002-01-23 Florida **Violent 8 Year-Old Boy Arrested At School

            School Threat/Lockdown Lexapro* 2008-04-18 California **Violent High School Student Shot to Death on Campus by Police

            School / Child Endangerment Antidepressants 2008-02-27 Canada **Wacky School Bus Driver Goes Berserk: Also Involved Painkillers

            School Violence Paxil 2004-10-23 Washington DC **Young Boy, 10 Year Old, Has Violent Incidents at School

            School Threat Wellbutrin Antidepressant 2007-04-24 Tennessee **Young Boy, 12, Threatens to Shoot Others at School

            School Hostage Situation Med for Depression 2006-03-09 France **Young Ex-Teacher Holds 21 Students Hostage

            School Shooting/Suicide Celexa 2002-10-07 Texas **Young Girl [13 Years Old] Kills Self at School With a Gun

            School Hostage Situation Paxil 2001-10-12 North Carolina **Young Man Holds Three People Hostage in Duke University President's Office

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            Murder Prozac 2011-09-16 Canada *16 Year Old Stabs 15 Year Old: Will Be Tried in Youth Court Because of Bad Reaction to Prozac

            Murder Attempt Wellbutrin* 2006-02-12 Washington *82 Year Old Man Found Not Guilty: Med Defense

            Murder Attempt Celexa Antidepressants 2011-02-08 Massachusetts *Coed at Wellesley Found Not Guilty Due to Celexa Antidepressant Use: Stabbed Boyfriend 8 times

            DUI Paxil 2003-02-15 Virginia *Defendant Acquitted of DUI Because of Involuntary Intoxication Caused by Paxil

            Air Rage Paxil* [Seroxat] 2006-01-25 England *Diplomat Cleared of Drinking Charges: Drug Blamed
            Rampage Shooting Lexapro & Two Benzo's 2011-09-03 North Carolina *Eight Dead in Nursing Home: Jury Spares Death Penalty Due to Medications

            Murder-Suicide Celexa SSRI Antidepressant* 2010-04-22 Ireland *Jury Finds Celexa Cause of Murder-Suicide: Two Physicians Testify: Foundation Demands Action

            Murder-Suicide Paxil* [Seroxat] 2001-08-09 Wyoming *Jury Finds Paxil Was Cause of Murder-Suicide

            Shooting Antidepressant* 2005-03-05 Florida *Man Acquitted in Gas Station Shooting: Involuntary Intoxication by Med

            Robbery/Armed Paxil [Seroxat] WITHDRAWAL* 2003-08-10 England *Man Cleared of Charges by Using Paxil Defense

            Murder Zoloft* 1994-03-14 Alabama *Man Found Not Guilty Due to Psychosis Caused by Zoloft

            Assault Prozac* 2009-10-24 Kansas *Man Found Not Guilty of Assault Using Prozac Defense

            Murder Med For Depression* 2009-11-19 England *Man Found Not Guilty of Killing Wife While Sleepwalking

            Murder Zoloft* 2001-05-24 Australia *Man Found Not Guilty Using Zoloft Defense

            Murder Attempt Zoloft* 2004-04-24 California *Man Found Not Guilty: Used Zoloft Defense

            Murder Med For Depression 2011-08-23 England *Man Released From Prison Hospital Because his Murders Were Caused by Psychosis From Depression Med

            Murder-Suicide Attempt Effexor & Paxil* [Seroxat] 2003-06-17 Australia *Mother Acquitted by Using SSRI Defense

            Murder Attempt Zoloft* 2002-11-04 Arizona *Mother Acquitted of Attempted Child Murder

            Murder Paxil & ADHD Drug* 2000-05-18 Washington *Mother Stabs Daughter: Not Guilty by Reason of Drug Induced Insanity

            Murder Attempt Prozac 2008-05-20 Connecticut *Not Guilty Because of Psychosis Brought On by Prozac & Adderall

            Murder Cymbalta Antidepressant 2007-05-15 Texas *Not Guilty by Reason of Cymbalta Induced Insanity: Man Kills Wife



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            • Nickdfresh
              SUPER MODERATOR

              • Oct 2004
              • 49219

              Anyone able to watch the NRA Press Conference on now? A good heckler just got a good number of minutes denouncing them!

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              • ELVIS
                Banned
                • Dec 2003
                • 44120

                Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                That's just fucking retarded. (
                So, you chose to blow off the maroon van seen fleeing from the scene with a window shot out, as "that's just fucking retarded" ??

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                • ELVIS
                  Banned
                  • Dec 2003
                  • 44120




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                  • BigBadBrian
                    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 10625

                    Originally posted by Va Beach VH Fan
                    I know around here not only are there VA Beach police officers at the majority of middle and high schools daily, but their squad cars are parked right near the front door....

                    Of course, that gets into a funding issue for the schools....

                    And with the schools' budgets already strapped, they would need funding to provide that....
                    But local cops should cruise through the grounds/parking lots of the schools in their patrol area. REGULARLY and as often as possible. The Show The Badge method would help and be a deterrent. That goes for other public places also.
                    “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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                    • Nickdfresh
                      SUPER MODERATOR

                      • Oct 2004
                      • 49219

                      Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                      Anyone able to watch the NRA Press Conference on now? A good heckler just got a good number of minutes denouncing them!
                      Turning into a massive clusterfuck of idiotic statements on how video games and movies are to blame, and federal prosecutors aren't prosecuting gun crimes when the NRA has done everything it can to prevent federal prosecutions of gun crimes and allowing gun stores to distribute weapons that end up in the hands of criminals with impunity. Cunts...

                      See the first post in this thread: http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showt...l=1#post461538

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                      Last edited by Nickdfresh; 12-21-2012, 12:25 PM.

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                      • Nickdfresh
                        SUPER MODERATOR

                        • Oct 2004
                        • 49219

                        Merged an article I posted here a while ago on the D.C. Sniper case...

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                        • FORD
                          ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                          • Jan 2004
                          • 58813

                          Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                          But local cops should cruise through the grounds/parking lots of the schools in their patrol area. REGULARLY and as often as possible. The Show The Badge method would help and be a deterrent. That goes for other public places also.
                          Too bad all this Randtard Libertarian bullshit from the right wing has led to slashing of police budgets, huh?

                          Oh well, things should be slightly better here and in Colorado where they don't have to waste time and money harassing pot smokers anymore, at least.
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                          • ELVIS
                            Banned
                            • Dec 2003
                            • 44120

                            Originally posted by FORD
                            Too bad all this Randtard Libertarian bullshit from the right wing has led to slashing of police budgets, huh?

                            Oh well, things should be slightly better here and in Colorado where they don't have to waste time and money harassing pot smokers anymore, at least.
                            Local police are defenseless against SSRI deranged killers...

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                            • POJO_Risin
                              Roth Army Caesar
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 40648

                              Moment of silence for the lost kids at 9:30...

                              NRA press conference at 11...

                              Perhaps they should have just had it at 9:30...

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                              • FORD
                                ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                                • Jan 2004
                                • 58813

                                Originally posted by ELVIS
                                Local police are defenseless against SSRI deranged killers...
                                If you're calling for proper regulation of the criminal pharmaceutical industry, I'm all for it. But that's an entirely separate matter from how governments (local, state, and federal) have been slashed to shit and infrastructure -including law enforcement - have suffered as a result of corporations and the rich not carrying their share of the burden.
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