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[Seshmeister]

Oh come on, Izzy. It really is that simple. All you have to do is take the profit motive out of it. That way people will continue to go to med school for 6 or 7 years, rack up some killer debt in student loans, and then spend the rest of their lives paying it off and scraping by. Let's just take the profit incentive out of everything and have the State provide everything, from cradle to grave.

Around a third of all your healthcare payments are taken by the insurance companies.

That plus all the over prescribing of treatment and medication is why you end up spending much more on healthcare than other western countries.

Government run healthcare systems are wasteful and inefficient but what you have is even worse.

[DONNIEP]

They're not! I never said that. But..they have to start somewhere, right? As for the rest of your diatribe, you seem to be hung up on how fucking clean a medical facility is for proper treatment. The level of care is about the same - considering ethics and state board licensing.

Plus, doctors here don't make shit unless they are top-of-the-line cardiologist or orthro surgeons - and that takes about 20 - 25 years the experience to get to a level of making over $240,000 has to start somewhere. Why can't you understand that!? Look at Saudi Arabia where health care is free and an average physicians salary for general practice is around $90,000 a year compared to $55,000 in the U.S.A - they've taken the profit motive out of the equation.

Why can't you understand that if every medical provider in this country was forced to accept Medicaid reimbursement level then people would stop becoming doctors? Less money paid to the practice = a shitload less to pay the doctors = nobody's gonna incur a shitload of debt they can never repay and wind up making less than the full time firemen in my county. You mean to tell me that if your choice was two years school to be a fireman or 7 years of school plus 200 grand in debt to be a doctor and both jobs pay roughly the same that you're gonna pick doctor? Give me a fucking break. Those $55,000 a year salaried GPs ain't making that by seeing exclusively Medicaid patients.

Like I said, everybody can go sit in the ER or the health department for all I care. My premiums are a hell of a lot higher than yours and I don't sweat it. And I pay my bills so nobody else is having to carry me. Although I would like to have an Obama phone. Just so I could say "I have an Obama Phone!!"

And hell yes, cleanliness of the facilities IS important to me and a whole hell of a lot of other people. And it's not just the cleanliness, it's the availability of the care. I can call my doctor's office right now and be seen this evening. Call the health department and try that. Or, wait, you probably can't do that since most don't provide service after hours. So you could go sit in the fucking ER with the dregs of society if you really wanted to be seen.

[Anonymous]

Why can't you understand that if every medical provider in this country was forced to accept Medicaid reimbursement level then people would stop becoming doctors? Less money paid to the practice = a shitload less to pay the doctors = nobody's gonna incur a shitload of debt they can never repay and wind up making less than the full time firemen in my county. You mean to tell me that if your choice was two years school to be a fireman or 7 years of school plus 200 grand in debt to be a doctor and both jobs pay roughly the same that you're gonna pick doctor? Give me a fucking break. Those $55,000 a year salaried GPs ain't making that by seeing exclusively Medicaid patients.

That's true. The prime motivation for humans is shiny things, or, ever since we've civilized ourselves, money.

For men, specifically, there's also the pussy factor, but that can be bought with money, so... money.

No money, nobody does shit. Who here would like to work for free? Out of the kindness of their heart towards your fellow humans? Huh? Crickets, that's all I hear.

Cheers!

[Kristy]

That plus all the over prescribing of treatment and medication is why you end up spending much more on healthcare than other western countries.

Much of that is Medicare/caid fraud. Once the government shut that off, jailed doctors, heavily fined them or took away their license to practice medicine did many no longer a choose to accept it as payment and why reimbursement are so slow. Something dumbass Donnie can't seem to understand. The government did not fuck over doctors, they did it to themselves.

[Kristy]

So you could go sit in the fucking ER with the dregs of society if you really wanted to be seen.

You're so full of shit. I highly doubt your provider has emergency after care hours and, if by some reason it is an emergency they'll tell you to take your F A T zit-popping as to an E.R. where you can mingle with the rest of the dregs of society.

Not buying a single word of that even if your premiums are higher.

[DONNIEP]

Much of that is Medicare/caid fraud. Once the government shut that off, jailed doctors, heavily fined them or took away their license to practice medicine did many no longer a choose to accept it as payment and why reimbursement are so slow. Something dumbass Donnie can't seem to understand. The government did not fuck over doctors, they did it to themselves.

Ah, if you can prove to me that people will continue to go to med school, incur insane student debt, and be willing to work for an average salary then I'll not only agree with you I'll bow at your feet.

[Seshmeister]

Oh come on, Izzy. It really is that simple. All you have to do is take the profit motive out of it. That way people will continue to go to med school for 6 or 7 years, rack up some killer debt in student loans, and then spend the rest of their lives paying it off and scraping by. Let's just take the profit incentive out of everything and have the State provide everything, from cradle to grave.

I don't understand how the US can't afford universal healthcare when it is still richer than all the other countries that do have it.

I don't know where you are making comparisons with, fucking Cuba?

In the UK the average med school debt is about $80k because it is still subsidized. The average family doctor or experienced hospital doctor makes around $170k paid for by the government under the NHS system of free healthcare for all. Many also make money on the side from private work as well.

When the NHS was set up after the second world war in the UK the biggest opponents were doctors now most are very much in favour.

Our worry here now is as more money comes into politics there is a danger of our system becoming openly corrupt like the US. Private healthcare companies over the last few years have been pumping money into our political parties and it's having a bad effect.

[DONNIEP]

You're so full of shit. I highly doubt your provider has emergency after care hours and, if by some reason it is an emergency they'll tell you to take your F A T zit-popping as to an E.R. where you can mingle with the rest of the dregs of society.

Not buying a single word of that even if your premiums are higher.

Yeah, because private family practices and say pediatricians don't have after hours care. You are the moron. Pick up the phone and call the big family practice in your area - I guarantee you they have after hours care.

* And I didn't say "emergency care". I said after hours care. As in urgent care. Or say you happen to have a kid who's running a fever and sick, blah blah blah. You can get an appointment at that same facility, in the evening. And on the weekends too. PM me and I'll give you the number.

[Kristy]

Ah, if you can prove to me that people will continue to go to med school, incur insane student debt, and be willing to work for an average salary then I'll not only agree with you I'll bow at your feet.

It takes years to make a decent salary as a doctor. Four years pre-med; four years medical school; another 4 doing a residency; maybe another two in a internship program. So fourteen years studying to be a top-notch orthopedic surgeon hoping to make over $200,000 a year? Any sane doctor will wait.

[Kristy]

Yeah, because private family practices and say pediatricians don't have after hours care. You are the moron. Pick up the phone and call the big family practice in your area - I guarantee you they have after hours care.

After hour(s) care is not the same as emergency care. Dumbass.

[Von Halen]

I pay now $78/m for healthcare which went up 15% in the past two years. If my rates go any higher (along with renters and auto insurance) there is no way I can afford it.

Wow drug addict, that high school education is doing wonders for your bank account. You can't afford more than $78 a month for your health insurance? Maybe you should spend less on drugs, drug addict. Your insurance rates should double, just because you are a high risk drug addict.

One of the hospitals my Son is an ER Doctor in, is in the City of Detroit. Why don't you ask him how he likes the medicaid patients, and what they do for his paycheck. No fucking way he'd have chosen to be a Doctor if he had to survive on the pay from Medicaid patients.

[DONNIEP]

After hour(s) care is not the same as emergency care. Dumbass.

Dumbass - show me where I said emergency care. I said I could be seen tonite. Same thing if you pick up your kid from daycare at the end of the day and he's running a high fever. Would you rather go to the emergency room or call your pediatrician's office and get seen by one of their doctors?

[Kristy]

One of the hospitals my Son is an ER Doctor in, is in the City of Detroit. Why don't you ask him how he likes the medicaid patients, and what they do for his paycheck. No fucking way he'd have chosen to be a Doctor if he had to survive on the pay from Medicaid patients.

Bet he treats them like the racist piece of shit doctor he is. Have a point to your mutterings or is Smellvis not shoving his cock in your ass today?

[Seshmeister]

One of the hospitals my Son is an ER Doctor in, is in the City of Detroit. Why don't you ask him how he likes the medicaid patients, and what they do for his paycheck. No fucking way he'd have chosen to be a Doctor if he had to survive on the pay from Medicaid patients.

Well that's because the system is wrong and your government spends all your money on stupid shit like pointless wars.

[Anonymous]

Our worry here now is as more money comes into politics there is a danger of our system becoming openly corrupt like the US. Private healthcare companies over the last few years have been pumping money into our political parties and it's having a bad effect.

I didn't know that was going on, but I did post that was going to happen.

It's up there, buried under all the other drivel. Humans = Corruption.

Cheers!