The War is Bullshit

[Marlowe01]

This goes for everyone...any soldier you DO ask about the war will ask the same question: Why are we here?

[Marlowe01]

I can see maybe why we're in Afganistan, KIND OF, but Iraq is just a waste of our time. Plain and simple. The soldiers themselves don't even know why they're in Iraq. Bushwhacker probably didn't even disclose why they're over there to them...it's top secret. LOL

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by John Ashcroft
The War is not bullshit, and it's an insult to all that are currently fighting, and all who've died to say so. Guys like you are fucking spoilded little children, who wouldn't know sacrifice, duty, or honor from a fucking hole in the ground. What do you consider sacrifice??? Missing an episode of "The Real World" to go finger-bang your nasty little ho of a girlfriend?

You know what, vote for Kerry! He deserves you, and the rest like you. Thank God that only accounts for about 20% of our public. You're a fucking zit on America's ass. A simple annoyance that poses no real danger, but still a bit of embarrassment. So go out on the rafters and scream at the top of your lungs "Useless mother-fuckers like me endorse "The New JFK"! He's the "real-deal"!" Go on, proclaim your faith in the man. And leave the hard decisions to the adults. Fucking child.

"Yep, us adults have responsibilities. We don't have time to think for ourselves or rationally project the consequences of our foriegn policy. If the American people voted BW into office, then he must be the right person for the job. And if he's the right person for the job, then dag nabbit, then he must be making the right decisions. Who am I to question the executive branch? Plus, I got a $200 tax break this year! Yay Bush!"

You thoughtless war mongers are the real zits on America's Ass. We could have used our troop strength for something that might benefit the human race, but instead we squandered it to steal oil and continue our pig-headed and wreckless Mid-East policies. Now it will take years to reconstitute. And our enemies know that.

While you obviously have some intelligence Ashcroft, you are thoroughly brainwashed. I'd feel bad for you except that the illimination of free thought really does make life more pleasant.

[Rikk]

Never understood the hogwash TERROR ALERTS that seem to be released every time Bush has something negative happen to him in the press. I mean, if these weren't self-serving reports, why would an honest government release them? If anything, it seems to almost dare the attackers and it scares Americans. What is an American going to do if an Orange Alert comes up? Look under his bed before he goes to sleep? It just scares people and causes people to go out less, etc. It ends up crippling the economy to a small degree.

[Rikk]

Originally posted by ODShowtime
"Yep, us adults have responsibilities. We don't have time to think for ourselves or rationally project the consequences of our foriegn policy. If the American people voted BW into office, then he must be the right person for the job. And if he's the right person for the job, then dag nabbit, then he must be making the right decisions. Who am I to question the executive branch? Plus, I got a $200 tax break this year! Yay Bush!"

You thoughtless war mongers are the real zits on America's Ass. We could have used our troop strength for something that might benefit the human race, but instead we squandered it to steal oil and continue our pig-headed and wreckless Mid-East policies. Now it will take years to reconstitute. And our enemies know that.

While you obviously have some intelligence Ashcroft, you are thoroughly brainwashed. I'd feel bad for you except that the illimination of free thought really does make life more pleasant.

I think you're giving Ashcroft too much credit...he's not intelligent. But he is brainwashed. Furthermore, saying that questioning a war is insulting to the soldiers is a completely illogical argument. That's like saying questioning Jewish extermination was an insult to the S.S. Stormtroopers shooting people in the back of the head. There's no logic to it. Soldiers do fight for unlawful causes, Ashcroft. You may not think so...but you probably don't read your history. Of course, the soldiers aren't really to blame. But as bad as I feel for them, I feel worse for those whose homes and businesses have been decimated and those businesses in Iraq going bankrupt because Bush has inexplicably opened up an international market, killing the living of the domestic Iraqi businessman. But I guess this doesn't matter, does it, Ashcroft? Because it's up against them, eh pardner? Yee-haw!

[ODShowtime]

Well, "intelligent" to a republican means being able to parrot the correct response for every argument on the official list of winnable arguements and not addressing the losable ones, which he does nicely. I don't think it's nice to gang up on people, but he was getting a little sassy. I'm sure he'll make another grand entrance once he gets a break from servicing the snack machines at the barracks.

One thing I am worried about that is being mentioned in this thread is that old GW has not had any big shenanigans lately. I am very concerned about what kind of bullshit ace he has up his sleave. These bastards will do anything to stay in office because they know that once voted out, there is a good chance they'll face indictment for charges ranging from corruption to war crimes.

And Ashcroft loves them!!! "so what that I my VP's old company is being sued by their stockholders for accounting fraud while he was the CEO, no biggy! All adults commit accounting fraud every now and then!"

get your head out of your fucking ass man!!!!

[Warham]

If Bush went into Iraq to steal oil, why is it still $50 a barrel?

Remember when the libs were saying, 'oh shit, Bush is going to lower the barrel prices so that he'll get re-elected.'

I don't see that yet.

Also, troop strength is not used to benefit the common man. Troop strength is used to win wars and keep our country safe. Our armed forces don't exist to benefit the human race.

[Rikk]

Originally posted by Warham
If Bush went into Iraq to steal oil, why is it still $50 a barrel?

Remember when the libs were saying, 'oh shit, Bush is going to lower the barrel prices so that he'll get re-elected.'

I don't see that yet.

Also, troop strength is not used to benefit the common man. Troop strength is used to win wars and keep our country safe. Our armed forces don't exist to benefit the human race.

Actually, first off, it wasn't the "libs". What is that? A licorice candy? It was the media anyway. CNN posted that. And CNN aren't exactly left-wing media.

Second, the report said Bush would have the gas prices brought up slightly over the summer and brought down right before the election. So far, the prices have indeed gone up this summer. Will they be brought down around October? Just watch.

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by Warham
If Bush went into Iraq to steal oil, why is it still $50 a barrel?


Remember when the libs were saying, 'oh shit, Bush is going to lower the barrel prices so that he'll get re-elected.'

I don't see that yet.

Also, troop strength is not used to benefit the common man. Troop strength is used to win wars and keep our country safe. Our armed forces don't exist to benefit the human race.

#1 "If Bush went into Iraq to steal oil, why is it still $50 a barrel? "

the goal wasn't for the US or US consumers to profit overall, just that the profits are flowing into the coffers of bush&friends. Plus, the Iraqis keep on attacking "their own" oil pipelines to prevent us from getting it to market.

If Iraq's oil industry was functioning at full capacity, which even without attacks would take a long time to accomplish, we would see a reduction in price from the increase in supply... except that bush&friends would control production and hence supply. That's why they want it all, so they can control output and price. Not too hard to understand really. It's right in front of everyone with enough sense to see it.


#2 "Our armed forces don't exist to benefit the human race."

That is rather naive, isn't it? Ok, good point.

I understand that one of our strategies overall was too surround Iran, which we have accomplished nicely, but now what? If we go in there we'll fuck everything up. Those people are not happy with the Clerics, but they're rally behind them in a heartbeat.

[Warham]

Iran will probably be next, I'm sure.

CNN not left-wing? You are talking about the Clinton News Network, right?

[Ally_Kat]

Originally posted by Marlowe01
This goes for everyone...any soldier you DO ask about the war will ask the same question: Why are we here?

How many of the boys and girls over there have you talked to/know, because I wouldn't say any soldier.

[Ally_Kat]

Originally posted by Marlowe01
Some people need to learn to MOVE ON.

Easy for you to say. You didn't grow up there or have memories of going to work there every day.

I hope we never move on just so that we'll never forget.

It might have been just a pair of buildings and their lil buddies to you, but for some of us it was a second home.

[Ally_Kat]

Originally posted by Marlowe01
Bush doesn't realize that by trying to play "police of the world" that it's pissing off every country on the planet.

Funny, other countries don't have a problem with us playing police of the world when it directly helps them obtain a goal. How about all the lil problems that have nothing to do with us at all that we get pulled into because they want us to play police of the wolrd. Then when something happens and we act without them begging us, we're a problem. Can't have it both ways.

[Rikk]

Originally posted by Warham
Iran will probably be next, I'm sure.

CNN not left-wing? You are talking about the Clinton News Network, right?

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I like you Warham, but come on!!! The CNN network went nuts with the whole Lewinsky-gate crap, but when Bush is rumored to have endangered the life of a CIA operative, when stories that Bush went AWOL come to light, when his DUI conviction is brought up, when evidence that the imminent threat for war was fabricated is presented, CNN typically has a quiet report and then buries it.

If you think CNN is left-wing, then I'm afraid to ask what you think is Conservative news. Where do you get your news? Fox?

[Rikk]

Originally posted by Ally_Kat
Funny, other countries don't have a problem with us playing police of the world when it directly helps them obtain a goal. How about all the lil problems that have nothing to do with us at all that we get pulled into because they want us to play police of the wolrd. Then when something happens and we act without them begging us, we're a problem. Can't have it both ways.

LOL. When did "other countries" come out and collectively say this?

Dude, this isn't America vs. The World. This isn't "Oh help us, Mr. America". America is always acting in its own best interests. It may work with other countries because both gain. But if you think the rest of the world are just spoiled brats, complaining about this fucking war, then I have some "freedom fries" and "liberty toast" to sell you.