The War is Bullshit

[MAX]

Originally posted by Warham
I'll go on record and say I believe that going into Iraq was the correct thing to do.

I wholeheartedly agree.

[lucky wilbury]

i bring up kerry because he has NO principales like the people who are for him but againest they war. ir you againest the war and you have principales you would vote nadar or some other thrid party canidate but not kerry

[ELVIS]

[Rikk]

Originally posted by lucky wilbury
i bring up kerry because he has NO principales like the people who are for him but againest they war. ir you againest the war and you have principales you would vote nadar or some other thrid party canidate but not kerry

LOL. Don't stand on your high horse. I wouldn't vote for Nadar...that just gives Bush (the much greater evil) a bigger chance of winning. Hell, it's even come out that the Republicans have been secretly funding the Nadar campaign. Now, that's really standing for one's ideals.

Kerry is a politician. He will say what people will want to hear. I don't care if he fucks African chipmunks every Friday evening. He is a candidate that clearly represents better interest groups than Bush's administration does. It's not about the man...it's about the final result and the interested parties.

And don't bring up integrity. Bush is dumber than an Ox and a chickenshit who got out of serving and stayed in a classroom and then an airplane while America was under attack. Fucking spineless pussy businessman.

[lucky wilbury]

bush has principales kerry doesn't plain and simple. the fact that he doesn't is and should be scary to anyone. you might not like bush but you know where he stands. with kerry you don't. he doesn't stand with ANY interests groups either he plays all sides. thats spinless. bush did served in the ang and you served where? according to the 9-11 commision as well as dem 9-11 commisionor lee hamilton, the former nyc mayor, many democrats AND john kerrys own wife bush did the right thing by staying calm on 9-11

[Rikk]

Originally posted by lucky wilbury
bush has principales kerry doesn't plain and simple. the fact that he doesn't is and should be scary to anyone. you might not like bush but you know where he stands. with kerry you don't. he doesn't stand with ANY interests groups either he plays all sides. thats spinless. bush did served in the ang and you served where? according to the 9-11 commision as well as dem 9-11 commisionor lee hamilton, the former nyc mayor, many democrats AND john kerrys own wife bush did the right thing by staying calm on 9-11

Where did I serve? Where's the relevance there? Bush didn't serve. He went AWOL. Half the freaking country has now seen the documents proving this, and the only ones contesting it are his hardcore supporters. And where does Bush stand? To just retort with "Kerry has not principles and Bush does" doesn't mean shit. For Christ's sake, man...make an argument with evidence. Don't just disagree. Bush stands for something indeed...his daddy's fortune.

And how is sitting in a classroom for 10 minutes after hearing of the SECOND plane hitting New York doing the RIGHT thing?? He just sat there. It's pathetic. And what did he gain by staying in his plane all day and not saying anything to the American people? He was scared. His own daddy phoned him and told him to get back home.

[Ally_Kat]

Originally posted by Rikk
Bush didn't serve. He went AWOL.

Doesn't the military issue official AWOL papers? If so, I havne't heard or seen it and would love a link to it

[Keeyth]

Originally posted by lucky wilbury
bush has principales kerry doesn't plain and simple. the fact that he doesn't is and should be scary to anyone. you might not like bush but you know where he stands. with kerry you don't. he doesn't stand with ANY interests groups either he plays all sides. thats spinless. bush did served in the ang and you served where? according to the 9-11 commision as well as dem 9-11 commisionor lee hamilton, the former nyc mayor, many democrats AND john kerrys own wife bush did the right thing by staying calm on 9-11

Principals??? Spineless?? Served in the Air National Guard???
My god man, you are delusional. Bush's spineless principals caused him to go AWOL for two months during his 'service' in order to 1.) avoid having to take a drug test, and 2.) to avoid having to go to Vietnam. Kerry HAS more principals in his little finger than Bush has in his whole body, and he served his country fully. You have proven yourself a definite quack when it comes to your logic.

Why don't you take a look at how long Bush sat there after Andy Card told him the second plane had hit the towers and we were under attack. Actually, even more telling about that tape is the way Mr Card didn't even wait for a response from the president, as if he knew he was just reporting something the president was expecting. This is supposed to be our commander in chief, THE decision maker, and after telling him we are under attack, Mr Card immediately pulls away and checks his watch, even turning away from the president. If you had just delivered such news to the president, wouldn't you have stayed leaning towards him to hear if he had a response???? It is a very telling work of body language on that tape of Bush in the school during the attacks...

[Keeyth]

Originally posted by Ally_Kat
Doesn't the military issue official AWOL papers? If so, I havne't heard or seen it and would love a link to it

Not if you're a Bush. Daddy would see to that. Don't forget we're talking about the BCE here. It is documented that he went AWOL on his physical/drug test... ...I'll try to find it for you.

[lucky wilbury]

Originally posted by Rikk
Where did I serve? Where's the relevance there?

your calling him a coward so you must have served right or are you a coward as well? the ang is service which it appears is more then you

Originally posted by Rikk
Bush didn't serve. He went AWOL. Half the freaking country has now seen the documents proving this, and the only ones contesting it are his hardcore supporters.

really bush went awol and you've seen documents proving this well post them. i want ot see the the ang papers bring up bush on the charge of being awol and the transcripts of the hearings that show he was awol. but i have the feeling thats not going to happen. but we do have threads like this:

http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1787&highlight=guard

Ex-airmen douse rumors over Bush's Guard service
'Serious' pilot flew in NORAD runs, volunteered for Vietnam combat duty


amoung other as well as he got an honorable discharge. can't get one of those if your awol now can you. hell even the now out of buisness george magazine debunked that awol crap and that ws a liberl rag!

Originally posted by Rikk
And where does Bush stand? To just retort with "Kerry has not principles and Bush does" doesn't mean shit. For Christ's sake, man...make an argument with evidence. Don't just disagree.

fine you want one issuse lets go with wind power. kerrys says he's for it yet he joined a lawsuit to stop the construction of a wind farm off of natucket because it looks bad. he's for it every where else but not in his backyard

Originally posted by Rikk
Bush stands for something indeed...his daddy's fortune.

you got eidence to back that up?

Originally posted by Rikk
And how is sitting in a classroom for 10 minutes after hearing of the SECOND plane hitting New York doing the RIGHT thing?? He just sat there. It's pathetic.

and whats he going to do run off? then do what? he thousands of miles away the most he can do is be on the phone and thats it from fla which brings us to the next point

Originally posted by Rikk
And what did he gain by staying in his plane all day and not saying anything to the American people?

he wasn't on a plane all day he went to an air force base to monitor whats going on. he didn't go back to dc because in an emergency the pres and vp are to be separated at all times o ensure the line of succesion in case something happens

Originally posted by Rikk
He was scared. His own daddy phoned him and told him to get back home.

you got evidence to back that up? maybe phone records? didn't think so

[lucky wilbury]

Originally posted by Keeyth
Principals??? Spineless?? Served in the Air National Guard???

your near san jose why do't you go over to Moffett field with that with that attitude.

Originally posted by Keeyth
My god man, you are delusional. Bush's spineless principals caused him to go AWOL for two months during his 'service' in order to 1.) avoid having to take a drug test,

wrong on both. bush wasn't awol and he didn't take physical because he was going of flying status. if your not flying anymore no reason to take a physical.

Originally posted by Keeyth
and 2.) to avoid having to go to Vietnam.

which is disputed by peole who flew with him who say he volunteered

Originally posted by Keeyth
Kerry HAS more principals in his little finger than Bush has in his whole body,

his princaplaes are so sound that he'll vote for something before voting againest it.

Originally posted by Keeyth
and he served his country fully.

which is debatable even his own diaries cast doubt on his story

Originally posted by Keeyth
You have proven yourself a definite quack when it comes to your logic.

Why don't you take a look at how long Bush sat there after Andy Card told him the second plane had hit the towers and we were under attack. Actually, even more telling about that tape is the way Mr Card didn't even wait for a response from the president, as if he knew he was just reporting something the president was expecting. This is supposed to be our commander in chief, THE decision maker, and after telling him we are under attack, Mr Card immediately pulls away and checks his watch, even turning away from the president. If you had just delivered such news to the president, wouldn't you have stayed leaning towards him to hear if he had a response???? It is a very telling work of body language on that tape of Bush in the school during the attacks...

yep i'm the quack yet your the one posting this bullshit along with everything else you've posted. your nuttier then ford.

[lucky wilbury]

Originally posted by Ally_Kat
Doesn't the military issue official AWOL papers? If so, I havne't heard or seen it and would love a link to it

yes they do. the issuse papers as well as arrest warrents to say you awol. then you have a trial to deciede weather or not you were. then you either get convicted and either thrown in jail and dishonorable discharged or just dishonorable discharged. thats an over simplfied version of things i'm sure JA,BBB or Sarge could spell it out in greater detail

[Keeyth]

Originally posted by lucky wilbury
your near san jose why do't you go over to Moffett field with that with that attitude.

Moffett's been closed now for a couple of years. And I'll go anywhere with my attitude. "I'll go places with my attitude you wouldn't go with a gun" :D




wrong on both. bush wasn't awol and he didn't take physical because he was going of flying status. if your not flying anymore no reason to take a physical.

Or if you aren't going to pass the drug test...





which is debatable even his own diaries cast doubt on his story

Oh yeah??? Here:http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...ietnam_records

yep i'm the quack

Yes, you certainly ARE!

. your nuttier then ford.

Coming from you that's a compliment! :D

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Navy Report Backs Kerry Role in Incident

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1963&e=9&u=/ap/20040825/ap_on_el_pr/kerry_vietnam_records

Now you'll ignore this right wilbury?

[Rikk]

Originally posted by lucky wilbury
your calling him a coward so you must have served right or are you a coward as well? the ang is service which it appears is more then yo

My god man, I never served. But if I had, I wouldn't go fucking AWOL to avoid fighting. That's just horrible arguing. Use logic!

Furthermore, you call that wind example a proof of Kerry's lacking character? What about going to the American people with a shitload of supposed evidence of WOD that are an IMMEDIATE THREAT. This was never really proved. We're talking immediate threat. They found nary a single weapon. If they had, Bush would have been running with it like a mother fucker all summer...but you just see little reports saying CNN found a piece of something that was once a weapon, etc. Is that reason to go to war?? LOL. It's such a crock. How about the fact that Saddam worked for Bush in the first place, using American weapons to gas the Kurds?

God, you want integrity, that's a little higher than a fucking windmill.

[Rikk]

Originally posted by lucky wilbury
yes they do. the issuse papers as well as arrest warrents to say you awol. then you have a trial to deciede weather or not you were. then you either get convicted and either thrown in jail and dishonorable discharged or just dishonorable discharged. thats an over simplfied version of things i'm sure JA,BBB or Sarge could spell it out in greater detail

His daddy is one of the richest men in the country. He got him out of it, for Chrissakes. You're SO naive, it's not funny. I'll find the link I had, if I can. I think keeyth is also looking for a link.