Van Hagar Not In Top 10 Tours Of 2004

[Terry]

Panamark, rustoffa and Raguzza hit it dead on the mark.

Am beginning to wonder if those who attended the 2004 shows even liked classic Van Halen. Just can't understand the mentality of people who heard what was released from 1978 to 1984 and then went on to enjoy what the band put out after Roth left. Must be me, 'cuz I just don't get it.

For anyone in Van Hagar to consider putting out a live release of what happened this year....does Alex really believe that people starved for classic Van Halen would be satisfied with Live Without A Net being put out on DVD?

Hell, I have a hard time seeing where a fan of what Van Hagar did from 1986 to 1996 would have been satisfied by the three new songs and the tour. What Ed and Co. did this year......is that really all that's required to satisfy a Van Hagar fans needs?

I'll tell ya, if Roth had been onboard this year and CVH put out three substandard tracks and backed them up with a tour that smacked of apathy, I wouldn't have parted with nickel one or invested a single minute of my time in it. Tend to think if Roth had been there, Van Halen would have delivered the goods. Does anyone really think Van Hagar delivered this year?

[Carmine]

LMAO ! That pic is awesome Matt!

[Matt White]

Thanks Carmine!!! Just tryin' to tell it like it is.

[Carmine]

Originally posted by Matt White
Thanks Carmine!!! Just tryin' to tell it like it is.

Kewl!

[Brett]

Originally posted by DavidLeeNatra
you asked...

Whatever.

[Brett]

Originally posted by Panamark
If it fails more than any other Van Halen album has, will you fuckers
finally admit these idiots have to reform the band ???

Nope I'm for retirement. No Dave, no Sam. Fuck both of them. Rather hear Ed just do his own thing anyway.

Never went to see the shows to see Sam, he could have just sat backstage and let the band jam for 10 hours for all I cared. I probably should have paid for those 5 star things, then I could have seen the soundcheck without the singing.

[Thetruthbaby]

THIS IS HOW TO GET THE ARTICLE

Go to Blabbermouth.net and go to the search section towards the left side near the top. It will say SEARCH NEWS. Then type in TOP 10 2004 TOURS. It will bring up a few matches. The one that says Metallica's "Madly in Anger with the World" tour IS THE ONE. Then click on the actual heading and it will bring up the ENTIRE TOP 10 LIST WHICH VHAGAR IS NOWHERE ON. They reference Billboard. And a band's guarantee has NOTHING to do with how much the tour grosses. That is based on how many tickets they sell. And Vhagar did not sell well on this tour. That is why they DID NOT make the top 10 list. I'll bet a hagar clown will say they can't find the article even now, and I'm looking at the damn thing on my other tab. Jeeez.

[Brett]

Oh I saw the Metallica article, had no idea that was what the list was....figured the fucking search was fucked.

[Thetruthbaby]

FAILURE

This tour failed badly to meet expectations. It's as simple as that. That is why Eddie VH and hagar are going at it. If this thing had been a huge success there would be no in-fighting. As the saying goes, success is a great deodorant. Since there was very little to be proud of on this fiasco of a tour they're at each other's throats. It's a simple equation.

[Carmine]

Re: FAILURE

Originally posted by Thetruthbaby
This tour failed badly to meet expectations. It's as simple as that. That is why Eddie VH and hagar are going at it. If this thing had been a huge success there would be no in-fighting. As the saying goes, success is a great deodorant. Since there was very little to be proud of on this fiasco of a tour they're at each other's throats. It's a simple equation.

Now THATS "Thetruthbaby"!!!!!

[Halen High]

Originally posted by Brett
Nope I'm for retirement. No Dave, no Sam. Fuck both of them. Rather hear Ed just do his own thing anyway.

Never went to see the shows to see Sam, he could have just sat backstage and let the band jam for 10 hours for all I cared. I probably should have paid for those 5 star things, then I could have seen the soundcheck without the singing.

If Eddie was up to the task I'd rather see him do a solo project than work with Sammy ever again. The Van Hagar line-up is killing what's left of the band's legacy.

But you can't be serious about not wanting to see Eddie work with Dave again. They are one of the all-time great combinations in rock history and if Eddie pulled himself together, and he and his brother allowed the four of them to function as a real band again, we could have 5 to 10 years of amazing stuff from these guys.

So yeah fuck Sammy, but why fuck Dave? It's pretty obvious Dave's been up for a reunion for years now, but only if it's done right so what's wrong with that? He's got way more respect for the band's legacy than the brothers or Mike.

[Blacklisted]

Van Hagar = BOOURNS!

[Brett]

Dude I would love to see it, but it won't happen. Plus contrary to popular opinion around here, I don't think Dave sounds that good singing 75% of the VH stuff he does live anymore. I just don't think his voice can handle a lot of the tunes that he used to excel on. The blusier stuff he sounds great on, in fact better than I remember, but the stuff he has to wail away, I just think he struggles a lot with them.

I know everyone says I'm wrong, but whatever, that's totally fine. That's what I think. Yes I know Ed struggled at times on this tour, but here's the thing for me. I'm a guitar player, and I can sit in a room for days listening to a great guitar player and nothing else. So for me I'd rather hear Eddie playing half-assed, than Dave doing it half-assed, you know what I mean. I just have little connection to Dave's singing VH without the boys, but I can listen to Ed play those riffs no matter what.

I just think the time for the guys is past. They had that small window in '96 to make it the biggest thing ever, and it didn't pan out. It will never be what it was, it will never be as big as it was. It was a special time, it's just over.

For me, this tour was just a way for me to see Ed play one last time, because I really believe it will be the last time he will tour with anything called VH. Do I think he needs to get his act together? I'm not sure, the one LA show I went to where I was close, he was pretty fucking on, there wasn't much to complain about. But other shows, I definitely heard parts that were off and things that Ed did that I guess seemed a bit strange. I'm not arguing there.

I think they all respect the band's legacy, that's not a fair statement. Look, you may hate Sam, but for the band at that time, he was the right answer when Dave left. What were they supposed to do? Stop playing because Dave left?

[Halen High]

I disagree with the final paragraph. I don't believe Sammy was ever the right choice. Eddie and Alex went for a guy who was easy to get along with, who would do as he's told, had powerful vocals and who wouldn't challenge their position as the stars of the show.

Unfortunately, they rated song writing ability, lyrics, vocal range and even the ability to contribute creativly to the band's image way too low. Hence, we were left with 'Bland Halen'.

Dave did quit so they had to move on. But they should have done it with someone else.

I've still never heard anyone cite Van Hagar or the Sammy era as an influence. That says a lot really.

[Brett]

Yeah, but who would have been a good choice in 1985?

Well you can't really say many people have cited Dave's solo career as an influence either though. Nobody's running around saying, 'I started to play guitar and rock music because of "Yankee Rose." ' No matter if that's a cool tune or not. If they are, I've never heard it.

Was the Sammy stuff as influential or ground-breaking as what VH did with DLR? Of course not. But I think much of that was the decision of Eddie, to drive the changes in the sound. He had a different singer, felt he could do stuff he wasn't able to do with Dave. Whatever, it was fucking better than nothing. Maybe not to you guys, but to me it was. I still like songs like "5150" and "Summer Nights," and yes I'm sure I'd like them a hell of a lot more if Dave's voice were over the top of them. But they're not unfortunately.