=VH= Guitar Hero thread.

[BITEYOASS]

I wish they had a cheat that allowed Dave to spray JD into the audience and say a few rothisms. :D

[VanHalenFan5150]

They like to keep the game "open" to a general audience... So that might be forseen as inappropriate...

[BITEYOASS]

They like to keep the game "open" to a general audience... So that might be forseen as inappropriate...

Guess I'll have to thrown in a few rothisms while singing the vocals. :D

[diamondsgirl]

Guess I'll have to thrown in a few rothisms while singing the vocals. :D

Do you get extra points for that, B?

[VAiN]

Do you get extra points for that, B?

What you get is the respect and admiration of your friends.... or at least you should.

[VHscraps]

There seems to be a misconception... Mike signed away his right to the use of the Van Halen name, logos and registered trademarks.

He didn't sign away his song writing & publishing rights/credits for the Van Halen catalog.

Somewhere around 96 when Best of Volume 1 release came out Mike's name mysteriously disappeared from the songwriting credits for Panama and Jump. It would be interesting if some media type would ask Ed or Al about that... the original 1984 album and the remasters credited Mike for those two songs... then out of the blue he got erased.

I'm not sure how or if the Van Halens can legally exclude Mike from the GH game from a royalties and publishing perspective for the music. Excluding his image and putting Wolfie in there is one thing but financial gain from the music is a completely different beast.

Be interesting to see the legal credits included in the game documentation. I'd bet a buck you see references to VH Music LLC, Diamond Dave Music LLC and Bassplayer Music LLC or something similar tucked away in the fine print.

Think that maybe the negotiations with DLR for the Best of Volume 1 must've had something to do with the song publishing being re-assigned, and maybe even Dave saying he - MA - never co-wrote any of the 1984 tunes that were on it.

If you've read the samizdat copies of Hagar's autobiography that were floating around there on the internet a year or two ago, he says the same - MA and AVH never contributed to the songwriting, but were co-credited because it was a kind of 'all-for-one, one-for-all' philosophy in the early days that carried through. That was one thing that ended up pissing Hagar off, 'cos MA was cut out, but AVH was still getting an even cut of the publishing.

It's always been a shady muz biz area. I remember reading that The STones paid Bobby Womack a million bucks in the early 80s to come into the studio and help them 'finish' songs for their Dirty Work album - he never got credit (but got the million bucks).

There were also shenanigans with royalties around the next time they tried to re-form with DLR in about 2000 - when the Diamond one discovered that VH's manager at the time had renegotiated the royalty rate for the band for all their albums, but excluded Dave. DLR said at the time that he was getting a smaller royalty rate for those albums - I think he later won the court action against VH and WB - that bass player.

What happened with Ozzy erasing Bob Daisley was a lot worse - 'cos Bob Daisley basically co-wrote all those tunes - I think he wrote lyrics and song melodies - on the first two Oz albums with Randy Rhoads.

[Sensible Shoes]

Now thats what I call beating your game. Or is that beating you meat? Hmmmm

Not beating my game - just a simple fact. And I don't beat my meat, seeing as I don't have any.

[SNIPER]

Not beating my game - just a simple fact. And I don't beat my meat, seeing as I don't have any.

Okay, well I guess I am then since I have the meat

[ZahZoo]

Think that maybe the negotiations with DLR for the Best of Volume 1 must've had something to do with the song publishing being re-assigned, and maybe even Dave saying he - MA - never co-wrote any of the 1984 tunes that were on it.

It was just Panama and Jump that were credited without Mike... never been explained. Would be interesting to hear WTF that was all about.

Mike has stated he was fully involved in the recording process thru Balance... it's pretty much been Ed and Al creating the scratch tracks all along but then the full band and producers have colaborated on the final cuts.

If you've read the samizdat copies of Hagar's autobiography that were floating around there on the internet a year or two ago, he says the same - MA and AVH never contributed to the songwriting, but were co-credited because it was a kind of 'all-for-one, one-for-all' philosophy in the early days that carried through. That was one thing that ended up pissing Hagar off, 'cos MA was cut out, but AVH was still getting an even cut of the publishing.

Never before has so much milage been made of a cup full of unpublished bullshit...

There were also shenanigans with royalties around the next time they tried to re-form with DLR in about 2000 - when the Diamond one discovered that VH's manager at the time had renegotiated the royalty rate for the band for all their albums, but excluded Dave. DLR said at the time that he was getting a smaller royalty rate for those albums - I think he later won the court action against VH and WB - that bass player.

The renegotiated royalty rates happened sometime in 1996 prior to the release of the Classic 6-pack Remasters in 1998. At the time, Van Halen LLC consisted of Ed, Al & Mike. May have coincided wit the departure of Hagar and the corporate contracts with VH LLC were rewritten with WB. Both DLR and Hagar held separate royalty contracts with WB after their VH divorces.

Dave filed suit against VH LLC in Dec, 2002 over the royalty rates. It was a baseless legal claim as Van Halen had no obligation to negotiate for Roth's interests as he held a separate contracts with WB for VH and his solo releases.

DLR dropped the suit without predjudice... meaning he could reopen it at any time. To date it's never been mentioned since it was dropped.

[VHscraps]

It was just Panama and Jump that were credited without Mike... never been explained. Would be interesting to hear WTF that was all about.

Mike has stated he was fully involved in the recording process thru Balance... it's pretty much been Ed and Al creating the scratch tracks all along but then the full band and producers have colaborated on the final cuts.



Never before has so much milage been made of a cup full of unpublished bullshit...



The renegotiated royalty rates happened sometime in 1996 prior to the release of the Classic 6-pack Remasters in 1998. At the time, Van Halen LLC consisted of Ed, Al & Mike. May have coincided wit the departure of Hagar and the corporate contracts with VH LLC were rewritten with WB. Both DLR and Hagar held separate royalty contracts with WB after their VH divorces.

Dave filed suit against VH LLC in Dec, 2002 over the royalty rates. It was a baseless legal claim as Van Halen had no obligation to negotiate for Roth's interests as he held a separate contracts with WB for VH and his solo releases.

DLR dropped the suit without predjudice... meaning he could reopen it at any time. To date it's never been mentioned since it was dropped.

Interesting stuff - I wonder if anyone will ever be able to clarify this stuff, given how unwilling they all are to talk about it? Even Steve Rosen, who was writing an official biog of EVH, ended up having to drop it when EVH decided to stop collaborating / participating (whatever you wanna call it).

There's still to be proper biography to be written, but I guess it won't happen until a few people get old or die - and by then, who will care.

Can't think of another band like VH, who don't give a fuck about their legacy or history - don;t have a sense of their own place in rock'n'roll history.

[Sensible Shoes]

Nobody's gonna get me this - I just know it.

Told you so. I think it's age discrimination.

[BITEYOASS]

Do you get extra points for that, B?

I think so! But that's if you see blue fists or waves scrolling by. Sometimes I just throw some in the beginning just for the hell of it.

[VanHalenFan5150]

Dave doesn't have Star Power, he has Ego Boost... :tongue0011:

[sonrisa salvaje]

Anybody know if the wii musical instruments for guitar hero are compatible with the rock band stuff? I don't want to get stuck buying 2 drum kits if i don't have to.

[BITEYOASS]

I have to stars to where I was able to unlock Diamond Dave as a character. Now I have him playing eddie's guitar on some of those non =VH= songs in the game! LOL :D