All-Encompassing Van Halen New Album / Interscope Thread

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  • ThrillsNSpills
    ROTH ARMY ELITE
    • Jan 2004
    • 6627

    I'm curious to hear if the riff Ed played on 2 and a half men is going to be worked into a new tune. He's played it at one of his NAMM appearances. It sounded very up tempo and ferocious.

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    • bang 2 rites
      Banned
      • Mar 2011
      • 61

      Will Van Halen be relevant again?

      Does anybody else agree that it would be cool if Van Halen included a freshly recorded version of Glitter on their new record? Which unless someone corrects me (and by the way, this is no way a challenge), I believe it is the first ever recording by the Van Halens' and Roth, around 1973?

      That would bring the Van Halen's and David Lee Roth full circle and give an appreciation and acknowledgement of the raw talent that they started with, which had them head and shoulders above their contemporaries.

      I've attached the youtube video of Glitter below. This appears to be somewhat altered at the very end with a sound effect that has been added by Chris Gossett. If you’re reading this post Chris, I agree with Chef on this one, the sound effect is not required. The song stands up on its own and if the ending was silent, or someone knocked over a mike stand, etc, then I would rather hear that.

      Also, to quote Roth when I saw Van Halen on their 1984 world tour, 'You bet your ass this is real... this aint fucking Quiet Riot'. Yes Dave was holding a bottle of Jack Daniels at the time, but the sentiments the same. So Chris we want the reality, not some echo machine you bought, or software you downloaded that takes zero amount of talent to add it to what is actually a historic recording.



      Listening to Glitter, I like the fresh raw energy Van Halen had back then; yes they are much older now. But they also didn’t spend weeks or months mixing the sound, which is what we’re hearing reports of now. If Eddie Van Halen makes a mistake then I would rather hear it. He’s a genius, but he’s not perfect. If they mix it and polish it too much I fear they are going to lose some of their edge and we are going to end up with what the record executives’ refer to as ‘product’.

      As to the lack of PR and general promotion for this forthcoming Van Halen record. Maybe the record and distribution companies haven’t heard it yet. If not they, like us, are somewhat in the dark, and they don’t know if when Eddie Van Halen finally delivers the finished recordings to them, whether they are going to be listening to a classic gem, such as 1984, or a steaming turd, such as ‘Van Halen III’ or ‘Up For Breakfast’. If that’s the case, that they’ve not heard anything yet, then I doubt they are going to be willing to spend any money promoting it at this point.

      Aside from their historical significance, and regardless of your opinion on personalities in the band, in the media and to the masses, (apart from a recent reunion tour with Roth and websites such as this), Van Halen hasn’t been relevant for around 15 years now. Some of us would even argue that it's been more like 26 years. It’s going to take one hell of a record to change that. I for one hope that’s what we will get.

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      • VAiN
        Use my hand, I won't look
        ROCKSTAR

        • Nov 2006
        • 5056

        Originally posted by bang 2 rites
        Does anybody else agree that it would be cool if Van Halen included a freshly recorded version of Glitter on their new record?
        Ehhh... the riff isn't terrible.. maybe with a lot of polish and updated lyrics. I believe there are better ones to pick from...
        Originally posted by wiseguy
        That shit will welcome you in the morning and pour the milk in your count chocula for ya.

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        • ThrillsNSpills
          ROTH ARMY ELITE
          • Jan 2004
          • 6627

          Originally posted by Va Beach VH Fan
          I've got a layman's question...

          What's really done during the "mixing" portion ?

          Is it like "pump up the bass during this section" and things like that ?
          Boosting levels at certain points like you mentioned, deciding where in the stereo spectrum you want each track to land, and adding effects all with the expectation of creating the master. If there are a lot of tracks involved it can get very complicated. Also if you really want the thing to shine you can easily drive yourself nuts having a perfectionist mentality. The thing that surprised me the most was that in many instances just subtle changes in levels here and there can dramatically affect the whole track.

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          • ThrillsNSpills
            ROTH ARMY ELITE
            • Jan 2004
            • 6627

            Reading chef's post made me want to ask for a menu.

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            • Va Beach VH Fan
              ROTH ARMY FOUNDER
              • Dec 2003
              • 17913

              Originally posted by ThrillsNSpills
              Also if you really want the thing to shine you can easily drive yourself nuts having a perfectionist mentality.
              No fucking problem with that in this band....
              Eat Us And Smile - The Originals

              "I have a very belligerent enthusiasm or an enthusiastic belligerence. I’m an intellectual slut." - David Lee Roth

              "We are part of the, not just the culture, but the geography. Van Halen music goes along with like fries with the burger." - David Lee Roth

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              • indeedido
                Veteran
                • Feb 2004
                • 2293

                Originally posted by binnie
                Well, he's hardly going to say it blows is he?

                I'll do my damndest to prevent my expectations from being raised - that way if the end product is good it'll be a nice surprise, and if it's crap I won't be devastated.
                My thoughts exactly!
                This space for rent.

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                • indeedido
                  Veteran
                  • Feb 2004
                  • 2293

                  Originally posted by Vinnie Velvet
                  Well, I think there is potential for these new songs to be much better than what they did in 1996.

                  Because that whole debacle was a ploy to sell more albums -- Ed and Al had no intention of retaining Dave as we know. So, the premise behind those 2 songs were not done under the right circumstances -- not to mention Dave's vocals not being up to par and getting outside writers to get Roth to sing their lyrical shit.

                  Two in a row, my thoughts exactly! (I apparantly have none of my own, or just don't get here fast enough. Either way. )
                  This space for rent.

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                  • Romeo Delight
                    ROCKSTAR

                    • Feb 2005
                    • 5172

                    "it’s the killing side of Van Halen "

                    I give Hogarth credit for getting my attention. This description does raise my expectations
                    sigpicRoth Army Canada

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                    • Jérôme Frenchise
                      ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                      • Nov 2004
                      • 7218

                      Originally posted by ThrillsNSpills
                      Reading chef's post made me want to ask for a menu.
                      I'll have the lot!

                      posted by Ellyllions Men say, "I'll never understand women." That's a very lonely place to be if you're a woman because we don't understand half of what we do either.
                      posted by ALinChainz Katy, Pipe down, pump off, and fly back to your cave you old bat.

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                      • ZahZoo
                        ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                        • Jan 2004
                        • 9169

                        Pass the crackers...
                        "If you want to be a monk... you gotta cook a lot of rice...”

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                        • chefcraig
                          DIAMOND STATUS
                          • Apr 2004
                          • 12172

                          Originally posted by Jagermeister
                          I never heard of the guy. Swimming in the Ocean. I don't think I have that.

                          At any rate it was new to me. That being said I don't really look for that stuff anymore. Just happened across it trying to find some new news.
                          The bootleg has been on Youtube for around 5 years now, despite what this Gossett guy claims. "Let Me Swim" is a cover of a Cactus song from their first album, not the unreleased VH original he says it is. The only reason this version could even remotely be called "new" is because he took someone else's recording and overdubbed his own audience noise and ocean sound effects onto it. The original version showed up in 2005 on the Civic Disobedience bootleg from a show recorded at the Pasadena Convention Center, Pasadena, CA - May 29, 1976.









                          “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
                          ― Stephen Hawking

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                          • Jagermeister
                            Full Member Status

                            • Apr 2010
                            • 4510

                            Originally posted by chefcraig
                            The bootleg has been on Youtube for around 5 years now, despite what this Gossett guy claims. "Let Me Swim" is a cover of a Cactus song from their first album, not the unreleased VH original he says it is. The only reason this version could even remotely be called "new" is because he took someone else's recording and overdubbed his own audience noise and ocean sound effects onto it. The original version showed up in 2005 on the Civic Disobedience bootleg from a show recorded at the Pasadena Convention Center, Pasadena, CA - May 29, 1976.
                            I thought you were going to delete those posts

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                            • VAiN
                              Use my hand, I won't look
                              ROCKSTAR

                              • Nov 2006
                              • 5056

                              Adding shit to the old recordings is bullshit... doesn't do a thing for me...
                              Originally posted by wiseguy
                              That shit will welcome you in the morning and pour the milk in your count chocula for ya.

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                              • chefcraig
                                DIAMOND STATUS
                                • Apr 2004
                                • 12172

                                Originally posted by Jagermeister
                                I thought you were going to delete those posts
                                No need, as the evidence speaks for itself.









                                “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
                                ― Stephen Hawking

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