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  • Nickdfresh
    SUPER MODERATOR

    • Oct 2004
    • 49567

    Originally posted by ELVIS
    How is asking for identification illegal search and seizure ??
    Pulling over people because they might have the wrong skin color is...

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    • Blackflag
      Banned
      • Apr 2006
      • 3406

      Originally posted by Nickdfresh
      Most already pay income taxes.
      I'm not sure how you'd come up with a statistic for that since, by definition, those that aren't paying aren't on record. So I'd like to see your cite for >50%.

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      • Nickdfresh
        SUPER MODERATOR

        • Oct 2004
        • 49567

        Originally posted by Mushroom
        It is a false assumption to think that the police can legally stop people just because they might "look" like an illegal immigrant. I don't support that because it's gestapo-style governance.

        Your question: under what circumstances would someone be "reasonably suspicious" of being an illegal immigrant? The General Answer: a person not being able to produce authentic identification.
        So, why do we need a specific bill on all this is the laws are already there?

        Where is it "legal" for people to not have identification, insurance, or a driver's license to drive or operate a vehicle after a car accident?

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        • Nickdfresh
          SUPER MODERATOR

          • Oct 2004
          • 49567

          Originally posted by Mushroom
          I don't understand your circular question. Have you ever been asked to produce identification? Somebody would be requested to show ID to an officer in the event of one of the following:
          - Pulled over for speeding
          - Information gathering for traffic accident investigation
          - A skirmish between drunk bar patrons
          - Border Patrol check-point

          We can hypothesize more incidences. But the point is that this law gives the State of AZ the authority to detain somebody because they are here illegally; the law does not give the State of AZ the authority to ask for ID just because the officer has a grudge against mexicans.
          No. Actually the law gives them special powers, even a mandate, to determine if someone is legal or not.

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          • Nickdfresh
            SUPER MODERATOR

            • Oct 2004
            • 49567

            Originally posted by Blackflag
            I'm not sure how you'd come up with a statistic for that since, by definition, those that aren't paying aren't on record. So I'd like to see your cite for >50%.
            Well, idiot, you see the IRS has a specific program that gives an alternative to using an SSN. I'm pretty sure you could have learned how to Google this yourself, though?

            ...
            The Social Security Administration estimates that about three-quarters of illegal workers pay taxes that contribute to the overall solvency of Social Security and Medicare

            The agency estimates that for 2005, the last year for which figures are available, about $9 billion in taxes was paid on about $75 billion in wages from people who filed W2 forms with incorrect or mismatched data, which would include illegal immigrants who drew paychecks under fake names and Social Security numbers.

            Spokesman Mark Hinkle says Social Security does not know how much of the $9 billion can be attributed to illegal immigrants. The number is certainly not 100 percent, but a significant portion probably comes from taxes paid by illegal immigrants.

            Nine billion dollars sounds like a lot of money, and it is, but it is only about 1.5 percent of the total $593 billion paid into Social Security in 2005.

            The impact on Social Security is significant, though, because most of that money is never claimed by the people who pay it but instead helps cover retirement checks to legal workers.

            Federal law prohibits paying Social Security to illegal immigrants, but the administration factors in both legal and illegal immigration when projecting the trust fund's long-term solvency.

            This is especially important as the 78 million-member baby boom generation begins to leave the work force and draw Social Security checks.

            "Overall, any type of immigration is a net positive to Social Security. The more people working and paying into the system, the better," Hinkle said. "It does help the system remain solvent."
            ...
            Last edited by Nickdfresh; 04-28-2010, 09:35 PM.

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            • Blackflag
              Banned
              • Apr 2006
              • 3406

              So you don't know that >50% of illegals pay taxes, do you?

              To quote M.J., "it's B.S....he made it up..."
              Last edited by Blackflag; 04-28-2010, 09:38 PM.

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              • Nickdfresh
                SUPER MODERATOR

                • Oct 2004
                • 49567

                Originally posted by MAX
                Who gives a flying fuck as to why they're pulled over and/or the aftermath? If they're illegally in this country, they've already broken the law and isn't that what the police are paid to do? Enforce the fucking law?

                It's kind of like the cops pulling over a car with a WHITEY driving and the car's full of suspicious loot. The cop asks for ID, is that profiling? Holy shit!!! The motherfucker just robbed a house and broke the law!!!

                Ehhhhh... Let him go cos he was profiled by those rotten police doing their job!!! What about whitey's rights?
                Brilliant Maxipad. Let's have police chasing around everyone who might be illegal. See how that one works out for ya.'

                Next, let's put police on every few miles of highway to insure all of you lawbreakers don't speed! We'll only need a few hundred thousand more cops...

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                • Mushroom
                  Commando
                  • Jul 2009
                  • 1218

                  Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                  Enjoy your taxpayer nightmare, and the huge draw on resources from local law enforcement preventing them from adequately going after actual criminals...
                  who knows how that really would shake out. that's where my vote counts! I can say no to those tax increases. besides, with depleted re$ource$ and budget cuts, law enforcement will not have the time to deal with poor illegal Abuela Maria, but you can bet they will focus on people that fit the profile of an illegal thug, Coyote or el sobrinho dulce de Pablo Escobar.

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                  • Nickdfresh
                    SUPER MODERATOR

                    • Oct 2004
                    • 49567

                    Yeah, it's around 75%, retard. You have mad reading skillz by the way.

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                    • Blackflag
                      Banned
                      • Apr 2006
                      • 3406

                      Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                      Yeah, it's around 75%, retard. You have mad reading skillz by the way.
                      Why not just say 100%, as long as you're making it up? 100% sounds much cooler.




                      Did you just say "skillz?"

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                      • Nickdfresh
                        SUPER MODERATOR

                        • Oct 2004
                        • 49567

                        Originally posted by Mushroom
                        ...you can bet they will focus on people that fit the profile of an illegal thug, Coyote or el sobrinho dulce de Pablo Escobar.

                        I would hope so. But why do we need attention whore, political-attention-seeking hacks to grandstand special bills for that? Incidentally, many in Mexico will state that one of the things creating those thugs is the very liberal U.S. gun laws arming them to the teeth and enabling gangsters to openly challenge the Mexican security forces. That's just sort of beginning to come home to roost...

                        But that's another matter...

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                        • Mushroom
                          Commando
                          • Jul 2009
                          • 1218

                          Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                          No. Actually the law gives them special powers, even a mandate, to determine if someone is legal or not.
                          Is that law already on the books in AZ? Meanwhile you can be detained while they determine your legal status

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                          • Nickdfresh
                            SUPER MODERATOR

                            • Oct 2004
                            • 49567

                            Incidentally, speaking of illegal immigrant thugs and gangsters--some of their biggest victims are undocumented workers. And you know what? This bill will only make things worse, because honest, hardworking illegally hired workers will now only fear police more and will no longer cooperate with them in finding the true career criminals and narco-terrorist drug dealers...

                            Enjoy the violence...

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                            • Blackflag
                              Banned
                              • Apr 2006
                              • 3406

                              Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                              Incidentally, speaking of illegal immigrant thugs and gangsters--some of their biggest victims are undocumented workers. And you know what? This bill will only make things worse, because honest, hardworking illegally hired workers will now only fear police more and will no longer cooperate with them in finding the true career criminals and narco-terrorist drug dealers...
                              Then it sounds like they'd be much happier back home.

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                              • Nickdfresh
                                SUPER MODERATOR

                                • Oct 2004
                                • 49567

                                Originally posted by Blackflag
                                Why not just say 100%, as long as you're making it up? 100% sounds much cooler.




                                Did you just say "skillz?"
                                I'm not making anything up. But enjoy looking like a bitchy-jackass. At least I can support what I say, tool.

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