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It is a false assumption to think that the police can legally stop people just because they might "look" like an illegal immigrant. I don't support that because it's gestapo-style governance.
Your question: under what circumstances would someone be "reasonably suspicious" of being an illegal immigrant? The General Answer: a person not being able to produce authentic identification.
Where is it "legal" for people to not have identification, insurance, or a driver's license to drive or operate a vehicle after a car accident?Comment
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I don't understand your circular question. Have you ever been asked to produce identification? Somebody would be requested to show ID to an officer in the event of one of the following:
- Pulled over for speeding
- Information gathering for traffic accident investigation
- A skirmish between drunk bar patrons
- Border Patrol check-point
We can hypothesize more incidences. But the point is that this law gives the State of AZ the authority to detain somebody because they are here illegally; the law does not give the State of AZ the authority to ask for ID just because the officer has a grudge against mexicans.Comment
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The Social Security Administration estimates that about three-quarters of illegal workers pay taxes that contribute to the overall solvency of Social Security and Medicare
The agency estimates that for 2005, the last year for which figures are available, about $9 billion in taxes was paid on about $75 billion in wages from people who filed W2 forms with incorrect or mismatched data, which would include illegal immigrants who drew paychecks under fake names and Social Security numbers.
Spokesman Mark Hinkle says Social Security does not know how much of the $9 billion can be attributed to illegal immigrants. The number is certainly not 100 percent, but a significant portion probably comes from taxes paid by illegal immigrants.
Nine billion dollars sounds like a lot of money, and it is, but it is only about 1.5 percent of the total $593 billion paid into Social Security in 2005.
The impact on Social Security is significant, though, because most of that money is never claimed by the people who pay it but instead helps cover retirement checks to legal workers.
Federal law prohibits paying Social Security to illegal immigrants, but the administration factors in both legal and illegal immigration when projecting the trust fund's long-term solvency.
This is especially important as the 78 million-member baby boom generation begins to leave the work force and draw Social Security checks.
"Overall, any type of immigration is a net positive to Social Security. The more people working and paying into the system, the better," Hinkle said. "It does help the system remain solvent."
...Last edited by Nickdfresh; 04-28-2010, 09:35 PM.Comment
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Who gives a flying fuck as to why they're pulled over and/or the aftermath? If they're illegally in this country, they've already broken the law and isn't that what the police are paid to do? Enforce the fucking law?
It's kind of like the cops pulling over a car with a WHITEY driving and the car's full of suspicious loot. The cop asks for ID, is that profiling? Holy shit!!! The motherfucker just robbed a house and broke the law!!!
Ehhhhh... Let him go cos he was profiled by those rotten police doing their job!!! What about whitey's rights?
Next, let's put police on every few miles of highway to insure all of you lawbreakers don't speed! We'll only need a few hundred thousand more cops...Comment
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who knows how that really would shake out. that's where my vote counts! I can say no to those tax increases. besides, with depleted re$ource$ and budget cuts, law enforcement will not have the time to deal with poor illegal Abuela Maria, but you can bet they will focus on people that fit the profile of an illegal thug, Coyote or el sobrinho dulce de Pablo Escobar.Comment
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I would hope so. But why do we need attention whore, political-attention-seeking hacks to grandstand special bills for that? Incidentally, many in Mexico will state that one of the things creating those thugs is the very liberal U.S. gun laws arming them to the teeth and enabling gangsters to openly challenge the Mexican security forces. That's just sort of beginning to come home to roost...
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Incidentally, speaking of illegal immigrant thugs and gangsters--some of their biggest victims are undocumented workers. And you know what? This bill will only make things worse, because honest, hardworking illegally hired workers will now only fear police more and will no longer cooperate with them in finding the true career criminals and narco-terrorist drug dealers...
Enjoy the violence...Comment
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Incidentally, speaking of illegal immigrant thugs and gangsters--some of their biggest victims are undocumented workers. And you know what? This bill will only make things worse, because honest, hardworking illegally hired workers will now only fear police more and will no longer cooperate with them in finding the true career criminals and narco-terrorist drug dealers...Comment
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