Bin Laden dead

[Hardrock69]

Interesting thing I heard today on CNN was that when the helicopters arrived, all cell phone service and power went out in that area, and came back on when they left.

[Seshmeister]

Oh well. Done is done. And ps...if that place is a mansion, I'm living in the motherfucking Taj Mahal!

Hah yeah there was some idiot hole spokesman on TV last night calling it a multi million dollar mansion. :D

[ashstralia]

knocking out the local telecomms is not new technology.

so old fly swatter tweetie man must have been on the white house feed.

[Nickdfresh]

Could the bin Laden Raid Have Revealed a Secret New Helicopter?
By MICHELLE TRAVIERSO Michelle Travierso Wed May 4, 5:40 pm ET

A picture of the tail rotor of the chopper that the Navy Seals' Team Six detonated revealed unfamiliar features. Reports say it could be a new, secret helicopter.

When the Team Six members reached Osama bin Laden's compound in Abbottabad one of the choppers made a "controlled but hard landing," according to reports, probably due to higher than expected temperatures.

Temperatures affects the density of the air, and low density makes it harder for the rotor to sustain the weight of the chopper, especially if it was near its maximum weight (being packed with soldiers and fuel to fly in from Afghanistan). Abbottabad is about 1200 meters above the sea level, and altitude also affects air density. (Inside the Osama bin Laden Strike: How America Got Its Man.)

So what machine exactly experienced the hard landing described above? Short answer: we don't know for sure. Long answer: It seems that the tail rotor visible in the picture belongs to a highly modified version of the H-60, the chopper of choice of the special forces for more than 30 years. Aviation Week doesn't beat around the bush, claiming: "A previously undisclosed, classified stealth helicopter apparently was part of the U.S. task force that killed Osama bin Laden in Pakistan on May 1."

Stealth technology on helicopters is not itself new, but the fact that a previously unknown machine was used in this raid is yet another proof of the degree of importance that this mission had for U.S. commanders. (Watch President Obama's announcement of Osama bin Laden's death.)

Aviation Week then goes techie and explains what we can see from that picture: "Photos disseminated via the European PressPhoto agency and attributed to an anonymous stringer show that the helicopter’s tail features stealth-configured shapes on the boom and the tail rotor hub fairings, swept stabilizers and a 'dishpan' cover over a five-or-six-blade tail rotor. It has a silver-loaded infrared suppression finish similar to that seen on V-22s."

Low radar visibility was essential, for the Pakistani air force would have either scrambled its jets if an unknown threat to its airspace (and near the country's best military academy!) was detected, or fired its surface to air missiles. It's possibly more proof of the fact that Pakistan really knew nothing about the mission - or at least its first wave of attack - until it ended. (See pictures of Osama bin Laden.)

This would explain why the Seals wasted critically precious time to blew up the mysterious helicopter and why many experts had problems identifying its remains. It's unclear what Pakistan could have made of the downed chopper, but growing ties between Pakistani and Chinese armed forces could have made the destruction of such new machine a must. China and Pakistan, over the past two decades, have developed a multi role combat aircraft called JF-17 and an advanced trainer, the JL-8.

The Navy Seals usually fly in the famed Sikorsky UH-60, popularized by the movie Black Hawk Down, in which two UH-60 were shot down in Somalia, resulting in the death of 18 men.

Black Hawk Down was a scenario, insiders say, that together with first attempt to rescue the hostages held at the U.S. embassy in 1980 in Iran, that's been evoked constantly in the planning phases leading to the May 1 raid, as examples of potentially disastrous outcomes. (Via Aviation Week)

Time on Yahoo.com

[Nickdfresh]

Maybe to you, dude. You're obviously well-versed in military organizations and history. Basically, you're not the norm...

Well, that's for damn sure!

In terms of the numbers, they really don't mean a thing, other than their assignments within the SPECWAR community. Sometimes, task group numbers in the Navy signify their place within one of the Fleets. For example, TF 71 would mean a Task Force in the Seventh Fleet (located in the Western Pacific), and the "1" would have a specific responsibility (I recall the "1" is responsibile for Communications).... It gets broken down quite a bit more in the TF organizations, i.e. CTE 71.2.3.1, but you catch my drift....

I read on Wiki that they were originally called SEAL Team Six as deception against the Soviets. And G. Gordan Liddy and the like used to prattle on about them. And Marcinko, who like his DELTA counterpart Beckworth, wrote a book about the unit...

Well over here we knew about them last year after they completely fucked up the rescue of of a Scottish Aid worker in Afghanistan by blowing her up with a grenade.

No offence but before the group reach around gets too out of hand I think it's fair to say the difficult bit about special ops is not killing the good guys in difficult circumstances. In this case it seems we had 40 SEALs who seemingly had orders which allowed them to kill anyone in the house, armed or not so maybe not the most difficult operation to perform in military history.

That's the key to the difference between a special operations soldier and a true counterterrorist IIRC. A CT has to be very versatile and be able to operate in strategic environments.....

[ashstralia]

those underbelly destructo pods for 757's are not cheap, ya know? we needed an economical alternative.

[chefcraig]

Could the bin Laden Raid Have Revealed a Secret New Helicopter?
By MICHELLE TRAVIERSO Michelle Travierso Wed May 4, 5:40 pm ET

A picture of the tail rotor of the chopper that the Navy Seals' Team Six detonated revealed unfamiliar features. Reports say it could be a new, secret helicopter.

This reminds me of the new, "highly suspicious" ice cream truck that started cruising my neighborhood in the early seventies. People were all aflutter about the truck's large antenna, which obviously meant something awful. It was later discovered that this "evil" was in fact a CB radio.

[Seshmeister]

But an evil none the less.

One of the dumber crazes of the 1970s.

[Jagermeister]

Code Name Geronimo Offensive

Is the use of Geronimo's name as the code for Obama's death offensive? Equating Geronimo or any other Native American figure with a fucking rag head muslim fuck wad could be.

Why could'nt they have just said the Rag Head is dead? Or sheets to the wind? Or 911? Why did they have to pick on Geronimo?

So following the goat remarks Jhale kinda looks like Geronimo.

[chefcraig]

But an evil none the less.

One of the dumber crazes of the 1970s.

True. Yet perhaps the dumbest of all (possibly tied with Gerald Ford and disco) made the "inventor" into a millionaire:

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[jhale667]

So following the goat remarks Jhale kinda looks like Geronimo.

We didn't use any of the scumbag racist terms you used due to the fact that, as YOUR PRESIDENT stated, redneck "That's not who WE are". Might be who a loser like YOU is, but not the rest of the country as a whole. We're above that shit.

And is the Geronimo comparison supposed to hurt? Uh, yeah I've got native American heritage too, and UNLIKE you - none of my relatives were farm animals... swing and miss AGAIN, Jaggy!

[Jagermeister]

We didn't use any of the scumbag racist terms you used due to the fact that, as YOUR PRESIDENT stated, redneck "That's not who WE are". Might be who a loser like YOU is, but not the rest of the country as a whole. We're above that shit.

And is the Geronimo comparison supposed to hurt? Uh, yeah I've got native American heritage too, and UNLIKE you - none of my relatives were farm animals... swing and miss AGAIN, Jaggy!

I never miss.

[FORD]

The most ironic thing about the Geronimo references is that Bin Laden became a terrorist due to the efforts of the son of the man who stole Geronimo's skull from his grave for his Satanic "fraternity". (Before he funded the rise of Adolf Hitler and the Third Reich)

So when will Bin Laden's skull be on display at Skull & Bones headquarters?

[jhale667]

I never miss.

So said Bullseye in that crappy Daredevil movie. Much like you, he was full of shit too!


And yeah FORD, they said they buried his BODY at sea...wonder if it still had said (ventilated) skull attached?

[hambon4lif]

Is the use of Geronimo's name as the code for Obama's death offensive?

FUX News has been making the exact same mistake over the last 5 days....repeatedly! Yet NONE of them have been fired for it.

No apologies
No retractions
No walking papers have been served to a single damn one of those fucking idiots.
NOTHING!

I understand the occasional mistake, but when that same mistake is being made on an hourly basis for five fucking days, the only thing to understand is that something sinister is going on.

This doesn't shock me or anything, Nobody in their right mind has ever taken them seriously, but sister-fucking hillbillies hang on to their every word, which will cause even more problems.

Evil motherfuckers!