Van Halen could've made it without Roth

[Brett]

I would look from time to time, it was always higher than here and my site, by a lot. The last few months, we've all caught up. This site was pretty well known, I'm not surprised it got back up to speed that quickly. The official site was pretty substantial when they had the PD running on it.

[BlimpyCHIMP™]

Originally posted by Brett
Everyone cares!! Gosh darn it, I know they do. They told me they do.

It's called a "martyr" not a "hero" BTW dummy.

HERE YOU CAN SAY GODDAMIT YOU STUPID FUCKER W O BEAN BANNED AN SHIT YOU FUCKEN DUMMY

[Brett]

Yes I'm all about stopping people from using foul language, even though I can't complete a sentence without swearing myself. You silly tard.

[Thetruthbaby]

They might have had

They might have had a couple of gold records because of the innovative guitar playing but after the novelty wore off (and it would have) they would have been done. I've said this before many times but unless you were there (and my guess is you weren't if you debate this) you will never understand ROTH's ENORMOUS APPEAL. In many people's eyes DLR was VAN HALEN. When most people thought of VH they though of DAVID LEE ROTH first. And when the MTV age was ushered in it was UNMISTAKEABLE who was drawing in the crowds. I'm a musician and a valuable lesson I learned a long time ago is that the vast majority of people buying rock albums are not musicians. ROTH realized this (obviously) and created a whole new type of rock frontman that was emulated by legions of other bands. That is why when you see these lists in magazines of the top 50 or 100 frontmen of all time DLR is usually in the top 5 or 10. That is why you'll rarely meet ANYONE who thinks Vhagar was even comparable to VAN HALEN if they were around in the late 70's and early 80's. I saw VH in 84' and the bottom line is it was DLR and the boys. And that is how the crowd looked at it. In school the next day all I remember people talking about was DLR. Not Eddie VH. Of course Eddie was of great importance musically, but DLR was what set VH apart from all of the rest of the bands. Like I said, you had to be there to get it. Sadly most of the hagar fans I've met or heard talk about this band were not there. And they don't get it.

[Brett]

Dave was the show, but don't say people weren't drawn in by Eddie and his playing. When I wanted to play guitar when I was 13, I wanted to be Eddie Van Halen, not David Lee Roth, although I loved what Dave did. Dave's image I think is what people associated with VH, but Eddie was a huge man, come on. Dude I saw VH in 1984 too, and people were going just as nuts for Ed as they did for Dave. Now come on, be fair. I know you want to hate Ed, but be honest. Ed's playing also set VH apart from any other band at that time. There's a reason why Ed's playing was so influential, and it wasn't because people liked Dave best. It was the combination that made VH what it was. Dave was the perfect mouthpiece and showman for that. Don't revise history. I went to school the next day and said I saw "Van Halen," not "Dave and his backing band." If you're implying that's what VH was then, you're full of shit. No crowd going to a Van Halen concert saw the band like that.

[RogueHorseman]

Originally posted by Brett
I would look from time to time, it was always higher than here and my site, by a lot. The last few months, we've all caught up. This site was pretty well known, I'm not surprised it got back up to speed that quickly. The official site was pretty substantial when they had the PD running on it.

Oh yes, the Pleasure Dome... I had forgotten all about that, so I'm sure they were ranking big with that traffic.

[Thetruthbaby]

Bret you're off your damn rocker

Like I said before you're a typical guitar player who worships Eddie. You just don't understand that the majority of VH fans buying albums and going to concerts were not guitar players. PERIOD. And yes I saw VH in 84' 2 times in 2 different cities (in the same state) and the crowd was totally going apeshit for ROTH. And no they were not into Eddie in the same way. Funny, I remember going to Daytona Beach around 83' or so and seeing a VH Tshirt with a picture of ONLY DLR on the front with the VH logo on it. I NEVER REMEMBER SEEING ANYTHING LIKE THAT with just a picture of Eddie on the front. Brett your agenda is plain for everyone to see. Problem is it's a joke. Vhagar were not comparable to VAN HALEN. And everyone who remembers 78-84 VH knows the real truth about who the star was in that band. Guitarists who worship Eddie don't have a f'ing clue and they never will. Revise history my ass, I'm recounting the truth. When DLR left VH they went from selling 6 million albums to selling 3 million albums. And a sold out tour to a tour that had plenty of cities with tix still remaining at showtime. VH NEVER sold out my home town after ROTH left and they stopped coming alltogether after the disappointing turnout of the FUCK tour. The Monsters Of Rock tour in 88' was suppose to be a yearly event when they first decided to put it together. After the disaster of the Vhagar led tour they scrapped that idea quickly. If you don't realize that a ROTH/VH led MORock tour would have been much bigger than I PITY YOU. I knew many of my friends who stopped going to Vh shows after ROTH left and many others who talked of the disappointment of seeing them with hagar while lamenting that the magic was gone. VH's legacy is with ROTH, and greatly because of him. Every news article I saw about this "reunion" tour had something to say about ROTH and most of them were campaigning for his return. Many even made fun of the hagar led lineup. If Eddie were as important as you claim this wound't happen. And it wouldn't matter who the singer was. But we all know the real truth. ROTH comes back for a short while in 96' and the greatest hits album debut's at #1 and ends up going double platinum. The rumored tour is the talk of the industry and the rock public. hagar comes back (with your idol Eddie) and the album barely goes gold despite 3 new tracks and the tour has disappointing results to say the least not even averaging 9,000 per night. Yeah Brett, it's all about Eddie.

[Brett]

Oh whatever dude, I understand fucking perfectly, I was all of 13, hardly a typical guitar player worshipping Ed. I didn't even know how to play you dummy, I was a fucking kid. I didn't know from anything like that. I was a fan of the band, there wasn't all this retarded anger in 1984. Nobody went to school and said "Dave rules, Eddie sucks, it's Dave's band." That's something that morons say in 2004, creating pretend drama about the fans' perception of the band in 1984.

What agenda? Dude seriously what are you talking about? I am not even talking post-Dave shit. Are you trying to pick a fight with me for some reason? Who the fuck is arguing VH was better with Sam? Dork.

Your point is to say VH was all about Dave, nobody cared about Ed, or anything else. Right? Ok then. Well you're wrong, and you're either stupid, or just plain saying shit to drive a stupid argument.

And what is your hometown? Certainly not LA. VH sold out plenty of times with Sam here, so just drop that stupid argument. Not even sure why you're even making that argument. I know you can't help yourself, but at least try to tell the truth once in a while.

[Thetruthbaby]

funny

when you give the herd numbers/stats/ and specific examples to make a point they resort to name calliing. CLASSIC. They don't like to hear about vh's failures post DLR. I guess I wouldn't either If I didn't know my ass from a hole in the ground and thought that Eddie was as big as ROTH 78-84. Like I said CLASSIC.

[Brett]

What do you mean as big? The band was big, Eddie's talent was recognized and emulated by a herd of players. People loved watching Dave's antics. My god, get a grip.

[Brett]

No truth what happens is you can't stand when anyone with a half brain reacts to your ridiculous rants and calls you on it. I'm sorry I'm not sucking your DLR-knob like the rest of this board does. But you say things that are just naueastingly bullshit in nature. "Dave was the whole band, nobody cared about Eddie." Yeah ok, keep believing that. Like any of that stupid inter-fan animosity existed amongst the fan base 25 years ago.

When you post stats and they're right, I say all the time, yep. When you go on these self-serving rants that are so full of silly anger and over-exaggeration, then I respond. Stop whining about it.

Of course, just remember, you were the first to say this tour wasn't Top 10 man, even though I said by sheer raw numbers it had to be. You didn't tell the truth then did you? Don't spin it, just admit you didn't really know the correct info at first, because VH was left out of the article.

[BlimpyCHIMP™]

Originally posted by Brett
You silly tard.

YOU LIMPWRISTED LISPER.

[Thetruthbaby]

Actually I posted

Actually I posted info that Blabbermouth posted as being a list from Billboard Magazine. A list that is still on Blabbermouth's site right now. And I said so at the time. As for the rest like I said before, you're a Eddie nut licker. Obvious to everyone here. I never said Eddie was unimportant (LIE --naughty boy). But like I said before, VH lost half of the sales they enjoyed from 1984 to 5150. The tour for 5150 was less successful, and I still have NEVER encountered anyone who remembers VH t shirts with only pictures of Eddie on them between 78-84 when ROTH was in the band. When ROTH was in VH it was mostly about ROTH in the press. Same thing in 96' while it lasted. You just hate it because you swing from Eddie's balls and probably believed everything he said post 85'a about the original breakup. You've invested a good chunk of your life in Eddie VH, you can't admit you were wrong now. Trust me I get it. FOOL.

[academic punk]

Originally posted by Brett
No truth what happens is you can't stand when anyone with a half brain reacts to your ridiculous rants and calls you on it. I'm sorry I'm not sucking your DLR-knob like the rest of this board does. But you say things that are just naueastingly bullshit in nature. "Dave was the whole band, nobody cared about Eddie." Yeah ok, keep believing that. Like any of that stupid inter-fan animosity existed amongst the fan base 25 years ago.

When you post stats and they're right, I say all the time, yep. When you go on these self-serving rants that are so full of silly anger and over-exaggeration, then I respond. Stop whining about it.

Of course, just remember, you were the first to say this tour wasn't Top 10 man, even though I said by sheer raw numbers it had to be. You didn't tell the truth then did you? Don't spin it, just admit you didn't really know the correct info at first, because VH was left out of the article.

Okay, look, this is RIDICULOUS. Brett did NOTHING wrong here as far as I can tell. Some asshole posted in pretending to be him, to give him grief, and everyone on this site jumped at the chance.

Do I agree with his taste in music? No. Do I like his site? No, it's a little too much of a pian the ass to deal with, as others have noted. and, BTW, thetruthbaby, you've nailed how i feel about the whole thing.

But he's a good guy, who does take his free time to provide a service - a FREE service for his peers and fellow fans. You want him to come here and start pretedning to be somehting he's not? All he's done is defend himself, his (inexplicable) taste in music, and RESPOND to some of the accusations thorwn at him.

Do I know this guy? No. Am I a member on his site? Lord, no. am i glad he comes here occasionally and shares his point of view? ABSOLUTELY: moreso than some of the racist, misogynistyic, anti-semitic (and that makes a lot fo sense on a dave ROTH site) members on this board.

[Brett]

What's obvious is I backed you into a corner with your silly rant, and now you're mad. I know what you posted from Blabbermouth, but it wasn't very accurate was it? So it really wasn't the complete truth as you claimed it was, was it?

Shirts with Eddie on them during the Dave era? Hmm....dude I was too young back then to remember what shirts they had. I can't really remember that many apart from the ones that had VH logos on them, or the '82 'Sheep' tour shirts. If you say there were no Ed shirts, ok then there weren't. No sure what that proves, but ok.

No you said when you went to school to talk about the show, it was all about Dave. I say bull-fucking-shit to that. There wasn't this division in the fan base that there is now, where you felt you had to take a side. There was no fucking side to take.

Dave was in the press? I would hope so, he was the fucking singer of one of rock's biggest acts and a great spokesman for the band. Who the fuck is denying that? Ed got his fair share of press from the guitar nerds, I realize to you that doesn't make his contributions worthy of much, that he was revered by such losers and musicians, but whatever. I forgot that chicks who wanted to suck Dave's dick after the show are the legitimate fans that matter to you.