do not overextend Dave's contribution to VH

[Bill Lumbergh]

VH without Dave is the same?! Even the most hardcore of Van Hagar fans would disagree with that! With that statement, you are now officially an idiot who knows nothing about music. Oh by the way who's heavier The Carpenters, or Black Sabbath?

[MUSICMANN]

your an idiot. i didn't mean that vh was the same with sammy on vocals than when dave was there. i meant that since the split that both party's are not the same and the music is flat

[Bill Lumbergh]

You make absolutely no fucking sense. First you say Dave didnt make much of a contribution(the title of this fucking thread).....saying it was all Ed and Al. Now you're saying SINCE DAVE LEFT, VH has been flat.........OK GUESS WHO ISNT THERE DUMBFUCK? You thought you were gonna make me look like an idiot, only you just admitted VH without Dave is nothing. WHO"S THE FUCKIN' IDIOT HERE?!

"Now they believe it, now that they've seen it,,,,"

[Bill Lumbergh]

Shit I deserve to finally give myself a vote after showing you up dickhead.

[pete]

Originally posted by MUSICMANN
No i'm not a cocktard. It is just so obvious that Dave without the other three is just flat music and vh without dave is the same. I'm not here bashing dave, i'm just telling how it is. I am not saying dave wasn't the quarterback of the band, but he didn't write the music only the lyrics. What made vh great was there live performance not the mtv videoes. That was all four of them. The album covers and all the other bullshit didn't matter either. It was and will always be the live performance. Before people here start calling others cock and other childish shit, remember that it was vh first and not solo dave. The bands four members made vh what they were, not just one individual.

what made them great was not the videos - true

there are thousands of great musicians in the world. Talent alone does not guarantee success.

being great doesn't mean you will succeed.

there are classic painters whose success and appreciation arrived years after they were dead. Dave drew the attention. He designed the packaging. He gave the musical prowess voice, theme and attitude.

Great musicians does not always equal great music.

Yngwie - great guitarist. he can amaze with his abilities. Once your over that, imagination needs to come into play.

Dave brought stories, scenarios and themes to the music that were inspirational to the musicians.

Sambo never brought anything interesting to rock. ever

He is completely derivative. And the brothers created music to to accompany it.

And on most of their albums they tried to mimic the old style on a song or 2. But it sounds to forced. Like they hired a consulting firm to advise them how to recreate the original band sound.

The rock n roll hall of fame is NOT going to induct Van Halen in it's current incarnation.

It won't happen.

and of course
It shouldn't

[Bill Lumbergh]

Dave is Van Halen. Ed was his fucking puppet! "Play the parts I want you to play......okay you can NOW play keys on this track Ed, thanks for waiting for my permission!"

[Dr. Love]

Originally posted by MUSICMANN
Also,who ever is in charge here needs not to start calling new members bullshit names like cocktard and such. i am a serious classic vh fan and i thought everone here was also.

Don't get too worried about it, it's just something that denotes how many posts you have. It'll change as you post more.



Cocktard.

:D

[pete]

I need some fucking (positive) votes man!

[MUSICMANN]

I didn't say that dave didn't contribute . ed and al are the backbone of the band, Shit dave cannot play drums and he can barely noodle around on guitar. What i said was that everone here thinks dave was and is vh and that is bullshit. the four of those guys are and will ever be vh and that cannot be disputed. I am on your side of the fence about dave and all this new tour going on. I am just saying do not give all the credit to dave on vh 's success early in their careers.

[pete]

Originally posted by MUSICMANN
Also,who ever is in charge here needs not to start calling new members bullshit names like cocktard and such. i am a serious classic vh fan and i thought everone here was also.

einstein - we were all cocktards til we posted a certain amount of posts - then your status changes.

[MUSICMANN]

I did not know that we are all cocktards, thanks man.

[pete]

Originally posted by MUSICMANN
I didn't say that dave didn't contribute . ed and al are the backbone of the band, Shit dave cannot play drums and he can barely noodle around on guitar. What i said was that everone here thinks dave was and is vh and that is bullshit. the four of those guys are and will ever be vh and that cannot be disputed. I am on your side of the fence about dave and all this new tour going on. I am just saying do not give all the credit to dave on vh 's success early in their careers.

not at all, it was a four legged table. michael anthony is even key.

we all know that.

[MUSICMANN]

Everyone here is correct that dave 's lyrics and vocal timing that he brought to the table is pure genious. I just wanted to air some of the differences that i had with a few posters here.

[rustoffa]

Re: do not overextend Dave's contribution to VH

Originally posted by MUSICMANN
The true backbone of the band will always be eddie and alex. They are the beat and the guitar. Some peaple here think dave wrote all those tunes, he did not. Eddie and alex wrote all the music, dave wrote all the lyrics. That's how it was done. mikey came in and played the bass parts. I know this is a dave alter, but some here go a little to far. Let's get it straight. The mighty VAN HALEN will always be the contributions from all four of those guys. No one besides Led Zepplin could capture the intensity and musical prowess of VH. Bash Sammy, but don't tread on the other three.

Dave wrote the lyrics.....all the lyrics. So I guess dave sat down and listened to instrumentals called "on fire", "little dreamer", " hang 'em high", etc. Then Ed goes, "write some smart highbrow lyrics to that bro" right? Lyrics dictate the arrangements. The legendary Van Halen songs were driven by Dave's lyrics. Ed was a monster guitar player as well. Know why? Because he got handed things like "come see your children, yeah they're lighting up the skies" instead of "that's when love walks in".

Just go die.

[cwsmith17]

All four brought something to the table, but in the end David Lee Roth is why we still talk about the band to this day!