Occupy ROTH Army

[ashstralia]

yeah; cops v army.... what, is it somalia?

[FORD]

I would think that "dress blues" would be inappropriate for such an occasion in any case. Especially if you're anticipating possible conflicts with mace-happy police.

Although my interpretation of the posted message is that this Marine and his friends are retired vets as opposed to active duty, so it's not as though they could get discharged for participating, if that were the case.

I'd like to think that General Smedley Butler would be smiling down on this, if it were to happen.

[Dr. Love]

They'd be foolish to show up in uniform, trust me, that's a major no-no.....

yeah ... the people supposedly doing it were veterans, wanting to show up in dress blues. People had a lot of feedback on what to do to get around the regulations, etc, but it seemed like a group could show up in jeans and USMC t-shirts and get the point across just as easily.

[hambon4lif]

I hear the government is sending in Radiohead to infiltrate the crowd and bore them to sleep.

Morello should stop wasting his time on all these stupid talk shows, and put his band back together....

"....what better place than here?....what better time than now?..."
Indeed!

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Yeah, the key phrase in what I said is "in uniform"....

Out of uniform, you can pretty much do whatever you want, but you must appear non-political in uniform....

And without knowing the people involved and their official status, the term "retired" can be misleading as well....

For example, I'm "retired", but officially for the Navy, I'm on "Fleet Reserve".... In two years, I'll switch from "Fleet Reserve" to "Retired", when my Active Duty + Fleet Reserve time will equal 30 years.....

The difference? Officially, in some kind of catastrophic situation, the Navy could recall people on Fleet Reserve status.... But it would have to be some really, really bad... Worse than 9/11, probably something along the lines of another Pearl Harbor, where they would have an urgent need for my job.....

So what I'm saying is that if those Marines aren't "offically" retired, the USMC could technically get them in hot water, and fuck with their retirement benefits....

[Blaze]

Yeah, the key phrase in what I said is "in uniform"....

Out of uniform, you can pretty much do whatever you want, but you must appear non-political in uniform....

And without knowing the people involved and their official status, the term "retired" can be misleading as well....

For example, I'm "retired", but officially for the Navy, I'm on "Fleet Reserve".... In two years, I'll switch from "Fleet Reserve" to "Retired", when my Active Duty + Fleet Reserve time will equal 30 years.....

The difference? Officially, in some kind of catastrophic situation, the Navy could recall people on Fleet Reserve status.... But it would have to be some really, really bad... Worse than 9/11, probably something along the lines of another Pearl Harbor, where they would have an urgent need for my job.....

So what I'm saying is that if those Marines aren't "offically" retired, the USMC could technically get them in hot water, and fuck with their retirement benefits....

And that is why I am not posting pictures of them yet.

[ashstralia]

don't get me wrong, as a pragmatist i fully support people's rights to peacefully protest. and i fully agree that these bastard bankers should be held to account. we've had a situation here recently where public servants (including emergency services) have protested the new state govt's changes to industrial relations laws... but it should be done in an organized professional way, not as a stinky rabble who are simply out to create chaos.

[Blaze]

Protesting dos & don'ts - mostly don'ts.

http://wave1049online.net/articles/op-ed/0020/index.html

Cops tricked protesters onto Brooklyn Bridge, then arrested them!

Or so we hear, coming from some of the protesters. And this may or may not be true. But does it really matter?

As usual, the answer is yes and no.

The plain and simple truth of the matter is that it's pretty likely that everyone who marched onto the Brooklyn Bridge was very aware that they weren't supposed to do that, and that they'd likely be arrested if they did. And yet they did it anyway, and they got arrested.

Whether or not the cops, or more realistically, some cops, or a cop told them it was okay is immaterial, because walking on the traffic lanes of the bridge is illegal, and a cop can't really tell you that you that you can do something illegal — that is, a cop telling you to okay just this once, to disregard the law doesn't make your violation of the law any less a violation, and he can, apparently, still arrest you.

It's not a very nice thing to do, but they can still do it.

It's against the law to exceed the speed limit, too. If a cop tells you go ahead and do 70 in a 35, and you do it, you can (and should) get busted. In this case, the cop probably should, too, for encouraging you to disregard public safety by doing 70 in a 35, but that's another matter.

The bottom line is: don't break the law, even if a cop tells you it's okay. Let's reiterate: a cop cannot authorize you to break the law, so don't do it.

If it is your plan to participate in any protest event anywhere in the world, it is emcumbent upon you to avoid violating any laws, unless your goal is to be arrested.

Most cops are good people, solid citizens, themselves, whose objective is to ensure the safety of the public-at-large, including protesters, at all times. If you attract the attention of a cop, then it's likely going to be because you did something to trigger this otherwise perfectly pleasant individual to switch into cop-mode, an agitated, high intensity mode of operation that he or she would rather not be in. It is stressful enough to be a cop, even moreso in a crowded situation where the mob mentality can kick in without advance notice.

While you're out there chanting with the crowd, the cops are already in a heightened state of awareness — an un-natural state to be in. If something happens and a cop or group of cops feels the need to regain control of an adverse situation, they're going to do exactly that, and they're not going to waste a whole lot of effort being overly concerned what you or I may think about it at the time. They're going to regain control. They're going to err on the side of public safety. They're going to do their jobs, and you aren't going to stop them.

This is the one thing that so many people don't understand about the police, so let's make this very clear: when you are challenged by a police officer, you must immdediately submit to the will of that police officer, or the officer will take steps to effect your compliance, which can be anything from the stink-eye all the way to a billy club against your noggin, even a bullet in your chest, depending on the severity of the situation.

If you are roughed-up, or injured, or even killed by a police officer, it was probably because you, somehow, challenged the officer's authority or will to control the situation, which is always a bad idea. Do not do it. If the cop says "stop," you need to stop. Period.

When you are the target of a cop's attention, remember that the cop is always right until your day in court comes, and then the cop is probably still right. Trying to play point-counterpoint with a cop during a stressful situation is not the plan. The more you resist, the louder you get, the more likely will be an unpleasant outcome for you.

Don't you people watch TV? Learn something, for chrissake!


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[BigBadBrian]

Officially, in some kind of catastrophic situation, the Navy could recall people on Fleet Reserve status.... But it would have to be some really, really bad... Worse than 9/11

Actually, there were a couple chiefs (Chief Petty Officers for you non-Navy folks) assigned to my ship during Desert Storm along with several inactive reservists.

[BigBadBrian]

don't get me wrong, as a pragmatist i fully support people's rights to peacefully protest. and i fully agree that these bastard bankers should be held to account.....but it should be done in an organized professional way, not as a stinky rabble who are simply out to create chaos.

Exactly! Well said.

[Blaze]

[FORD]

Actually, there were a couple chiefs (Chief Petty Officers for you non-Navy folks) assigned to my ship during Desert Storm along with several inactive reservists.

I remember posting articles on this very board about Chimpy calling up literal senior citizens to go to his fucking stupidity in Iraq. Not exactly an emergency there, just an inability of the BCE to recruit enough volunteers for that clusterfuck.

[Unchainme]

I don't think I'm one of the 99%.

I have my share of debt from college loans, and my dad has his share of debt from my medical bills (which in Canada, doesn't happen), I have only a part-time seasonal job at the moment, My dad is taxed at a fairly high rate, but I don't feel like I really relate to these people.

I just don't like to blame others for my problems. I like to try to solve them on my own, or if I really do need help try to see if I can ask a family member or a friend of some sort.

Maybe I'm looking at this from a strictly selfish standpoint. Again, I'm in good health, I'm covered by Father's healthcare plan which includes dental and vision, have a place to sleep at night, am able to afford food to eat, have access to internet, cable tv and a car. Which would seem terribly spoiled to a lot of people out there.

I'm thankful for what I have in this world. I'm not bitter at those that have more, nor do I want or expect anything from them. If I had money to give to those in need, I would, not by force, but because it's the right thing to do.

[FORD]

Just wait until you graduate, and aren't covered by that health care plan, can't find a job in your field, and still have to pay off those student loans. You ARE part of the 99% (unless there's something you haven't told us, and your last name is Bush/Hilton/Rockefeller/Kennedy, etc).

Not all of the 99% are doing as badly as those pictured above. But all of us could be doing a lot better, if not for the damage caused by the 1%. Whether that means unemployment, or high gas prices, or higher food prices (for food that's less healthy no less), or ridiculous health care costs, or if you know anyone who was killed or injured as a result of the BCE/PNAC illegal invasion and occupation of the middle east. Yeah, it all comes back to these pampered criminal unregulated never worked a damn day in their life rich fuck 1%.

[Unchainme]

Just wait until you graduate, and aren't covered by that health care plan, can't find a job in your field, and still have to pay off those student loans.

I've actually tried to be smart about it. Went to CC (open enrollment, and their credits transferred easily) for two years knocked out my Gen Ed, transferred to a Branch Campus, took classes there for 2 semesters, and then finally transferred to main (4 dead in ohio).

I mean, no disrespect intended to those pictures posted above, but there are ways around getting raped by how expensive college is. If you budget it right and find a career field that has a decent enough job placement (my best friend is studying to be a NURSE of all things as the Med. Field is currently booming in my area) you can find ways to succeed.

I think maybe that's primarily why I struggle to relate to those above.

I'm not sure if shaking my fist at the ceo of bristol-myers squibb will change anything. It's going to have to come from the politicians on down to me. To me, The Bush and Obama presidencies have not created a very job friendly environment in this country. The lack of accountability these politicians have is disgusting and to me, is what's most needed.