Occupy ROTH Army

[BigBadBrian]

I hope these people don't get co-opted by the corporatist machine like the tea partiers did.

No, they're being co-opted by labor unions and other Left-wing organizations. You actually had a decent argument there until you made this statement above. You vilify those who criticize these OCCUPY protesters, saying freedom to assemble is their right, yet you're one of the ones casting stones at other groups who don't share the same political beliefs as you. Evidently they don't share the same rights as your group. While you have the right to criticize the TEA (Taxed Enough Already) Party and other groups you don't agree with, it is the right of others to criticize these OCCUPY protesters. Evidently you don't see it that way.

[hambon4lif]

[VAiN]

I skimmed the thread - pretty sure this wasn't posted:

Occupy Occupy Wall Street... I thought it was pretty clever...

http://www.occupyoccupywallstreet.org/

[fifth element]

Here's the caring compassion he claims he has.

between Beck and our dear friend Rush, there is a MULTITUDE of (claimed) compassion for the people of the US....
too bad they both lie to the people of the US on a regular basis...
yes lie...

it's either that or simply assume that they are bothtotal crazed idiots....

oh yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....they are!!!!!!!!!!!

[FORD]

No, they're being co-opted by labor unions and other Left-wing organizations. You actually had a decent argument there until you made this statement above. You vilify those who criticize these OCCUPY protesters, saying freedom to assemble is their right, yet you're one of the ones casting stones at other groups who don't share the same political beliefs as you. Evidently they don't share the same rights as your group. While you have the right to criticize the TEA (Taxed Enough Already) Party and other groups you don't agree with, it is the right of others to criticize these OCCUPY protesters. Evidently you don't see it that way.

The teabaggers were NEVER an authentic grass roots movement. It was controlled by KKKoch Brothers front groups from day one, and first unleashed in 2009 to ensure that no REAL health care reform ever took place. (Which wasn't necessary, since the moles in the Senate like Max Baucus already sabotaged that from the inside)

[BigBadBrian]

The teabaggers were NEVER an authentic grass roots movement. It was controlled by KKKoch Brothers front groups from day one, and first unleashed in 2009 to ensure that no REAL health care reform ever took place. (Which wasn't necessary, since the moles in the Senate like Max Baucus already sabotaged that from the inside)

FORD, whether they're true or not, you can always be counted upon to parrot the talking points of the Left-wing Moonbat media sources. You're a thoughtless pawn.

[BigBadBrian]

between Beck and our dear friend Rush, there is a MULTITUDE of (claimed) compassion for the people of the US....
too bad they both lie to the people of the US on a regular basis...
yes lie...

it's either that or simply assume that they are bothtotal crazed idiots....

oh yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....they are!!!!!!!!!!!

And your boy Obama is taking you for a fool....so you and Glenn Beck are even.

And why does the left keep bringing up beck and Rush? Are they that scared of them? That's what it seems like.

[Unchainme]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/14/donny-deutsch-kent-state-morning-joe-occupy-wall-street_n_1011065.html

this guy is an asswipe and can go die in a fire for all I care.

fucking calling for another kent state.

fucking douche tube.

[FORD]

What a complete Deutschbag to say something like that!

[jhale667]

FORD, whether they're true or not, you can always be counted upon to parrot the talking points of the Left-wing Moonbat media sources. You're a thoughtless pawn.

Says the RA's resident brain-dead Teabilly FAUX News/Repuke talking points vomit-launcher. Make sure your WHOLE HEAD is in front of the shotgun next time, will ya?

[Dr. Love]

No, they're being co-opted by labor unions and other Left-wing organizations. You actually had a decent argument there until you made this statement above. You vilify those who criticize these OCCUPY protesters, saying freedom to assemble is their right, yet you're one of the ones casting stones at other groups who don't share the same political beliefs as you. Evidently they don't share the same rights as your group. While you have the right to criticize the TEA (Taxed Enough Already) Party and other groups you don't agree with, it is the right of others to criticize these OCCUPY protesters. Evidently you don't see it that way.

I think you may have misunderstood what I was saying. The tea party had a popular start that was then hijacked by a lot of corporate groups to try to drive their own agenda. To some extent it worked/is working. I was stating at the time that I hoped the same thing didn't happen to the occupy wall street people. Which, it seems may be happening (which is a shame).

Tea party groups are very non-cohesive as a national movement, and a lot of groups are claiming to represent them to drive their own agendas and no one is really standing up to say "that's not what this is about." It seems possible the same could happen to the Occupation but I think that may be organized enough to push back on that (and I hope they do).

I would have similar criticisms about the Occupation as I do about the tea partiers if I saw them carry weapons and advocating violence and uprising (instead of beating a bunch of drums, which I think is stupid as well, but in a different way.)

The tea party is very big in my area and I know a lot of people that do it, and I think it's awesome -- they are participating and willing to intelligently debate and both myself and the people I know concede certain points or simply disagree. There's no conflict involved.

I actually have some other friends highly active in the local Occupation and they are willing to do the same, though they freely admit that they have a hippy problem (seriously, dress professionally and you'll be taken more seriously).

So no, I'm fairly consistent on this, and I'll be just as quick to criticize the Occupiers as I am to criticize the Tea Partiers (I happen to agree and disagree with both factions). It would be nice in fantasy-land to think that both populist/grass-roots organizations could come together to oust one or both of the established parties and bring in a new political age, but I think there's simply too much money for that to happen. But at the least, I hope it's not Tea Party vs Occupation

[FORD]

Well, it's not exactly Kent State, but we now have cops punching women in the face and running over demonstrators with their motorcycles and then beating the crap out of them to the point of hospitalization.

Is that what Donnie Deutschbag had in mind?

[Blaze]

An open letter and warning from a former tea party movement adherent to the Occupy Wall Street movement.

[Updated 10/13/2011]
I don't expect you to believe me. I want you to read this, take it with a grain of salt, and do the research yourself. You may not believe me, but I want your movement to succeed. From a former tea partier to you, young new rebels, there's some advice to prevent what happened to our now broken movement from happening to you. I don't agree with everything your movement does, but I sympathize with your cause and agree on our common enemy. You guys are very intelligent and I trust that you will take this in the spirit it is intended.

I wish I could believe this Occupy Wall Street was still about (r)Evolution, but so far, all I am seeing is a painful rehash of how the corporate-funded government turned the pre-Presidential election tea party movement into the joke it is now. We were anarchists and ultra-libertarians, but above all we were peaceful. So, the media tried painting us as racists. But when that didn't work they tried to goad us into violence. When that failed, they killed our movement with money and false kindness from the theocratic arm of the Republican party. That killed our popular support.

I am sharing these observations, so you guys know what's going on and can prevent the media from succeeding in painting you as violent slacker hippies rebelling without a cause, or from having the movement be hijacked by a bunch of corporatists seeking to twist the movement's original intentions. If you think this can't happen, it happened to the Independence Party and the tea party movement. Don't let it happen to your movement as well.

Here's how they turned our movement into a bunch of pro-corporate Republican Party rebranding astroturf, and this is how I predict they are turning your movement into a bunch of pro-corporate Democratic party rebranding astroturf. I believe many of these things are already happening, so take note.

1- The media will initially and purposely avoid covering your dissenting movement to cause confusion about what your movement is about within mainstream audiences. It might feel like this is to enrage you and make you appear unreasonable. Perhaps you will feel even invisible.

2- While the obsfuscation is happening, stooges will infiltrate and give superficial support, focus and financial backing to the targetted movement. In the tea party movement's case, it was the religious Republicans and Koch Brothers. In this case, it's many unions that cozy up to the Democratic Party (the organizations as quasi-human entities, not the members themselves) and Ultra Rich liberals who pretend to care, but frankly do not serve liberators and freedom seekers but rather the interests of some union leaders and the Democratic Party. Democrat, Republican, these parties are all part of the same corporate ruling system. Case in point: http://www.debates.org/

3-The media will cover the movement only after this infiltration succeeds. Once the infiltration is completed the MSM will manufacture public media antipathy towards the movement by using selective focus on the movement's most repulsive elements or infiltrators on the corporate Conservative media side, while the corporate Liberal media will create a more sympathetic tragic hero image -- this is the flip side of the tea party, but same media manipulation tactics. I go into greater detail on this tactic: http://vaslittlecrow.com/blog/2011/0...-your-beliefs/

4- Someone in the Democratic Party will feign sympathy for the movement and falsely "non-partisan" entities provide tons of funding and unwanted organization, just as was done with the tea party movement by Republicans. Once people assume that the pro-corporate government operatives are their friends, they will hijack the movement and the threat of your movement will be neutralized.
If this new Occupy Wall Street movement is to survive, here's what needs to be done.

1- Loudly denounce violence and disavow the violent rabblerousers of the movement. They do not help the cause.

2- Be image conscious. Present your best face and call out those who act like fools within the movement. People are more likely to pay attention to you in your Sunday dress and bringing homemade food, than when you are drinking a bottle of Snapple and chomping on Big Macs while you are looking like a slacker rich hipster/unwashed hippie stereotype.

3- Accept that you've already been infiltrated by the corporate-funded government, and work hard to say, and state what your movement is and is not about. "No, this isn't about unions or liberals, conservatives or bored spoiled brats. This is about 99% of our population being exploited and manipulated for the sake of profit." "No we will not resort to violence." "Yes, all we want is for for the end of government collusion with corporate entities that are illegitimately recognized as people." And, so forth...

4- Don't forget who you are as the illusions are thrown at you. Corporatists are masters of illusions. That's the most powerful weapon they have. That's how they sell products you don't need and convince you to justify accepting atrocities for the sake of products Don't fall for it. Otherwise, your cause will be lost. Be wary of large donations from special interest groups or non-profit corporations that were not involved this movement from the inception. Special interests groups are not your allies. Non-profit corporations are still corporations, and unfortunately, too many of them care more about donations than doing the right thing. Killing a movement with kindness is easy.

5- Remain independent and focused. If you can, pick a face to represent your movement. Rosa Parks wasn't just a random lady in a bus. http://l3d.cs.colorado.edu/systems/a...a/bus-boycott/ -- She was chosen. You too can use the power of illusion against those who oppose you.

6- On the web, you can prevent a lot of hijacking simply by checking the small print, or going to the about pages of a group or individual. Non-profits and political action groups are legally obligated to disclose a lot of things, and you need to be aware of this. If the information is nowhere to be found, do a whois page. Image searches can also be helpful. Examine who is posing with whom. Company owner? Where is that company located? Did they have a convention/charity event?

7- If you hear people who you know are part of the machine saying stuff like, "Progressives need to be more like the tea party," don't accept it on face value. Always follow the money, study past statements and groups they claim to be part of. If such people are suddenly telling you to emulate organizations that they once consistently denounced as evil or racist, without any rhyme or reason, they are lying to you.

I wish your movement better luck than we had with the tea party movement before it got hijacked by the theocrats and corporatists. We used to be non-partisan too. We were the older version of you. But, I believe that as the media apparatchik and infiltrators start to twist your cause, you will understand the frustration us early adopter tea partiers felt and that we were not your enemy after all. A fascist oligarchy on the verge of winning is our common enemy. This should be your focus. Don't be dazzled by the illusion as we were. For the sake of our future, know who you are.

Thank you for reading. I would love to read your ideas on the subject. Correct me where I am wrong. Explain what is going right. This is ultimately your fight.

EDIT: To understand how movements get hijacked, check out this fantastic video that JamesCarlin shared: http://vimeo.com/20355767

tl;dr Hibernator's excellent and much less paranoid sounding summary below:

"Someone starts a movement. It starts small, and there's a lot going on in the world, so the mainstream media gives it minimal coverage. Today's mainstream media is also understaffed, so they don't investigate and they wait for someone else to slap a label on it.

Eventually a sound byte X pops up above the noise and the mainstream media uses this to engage viewers and define the movement. This defining characteristic X spreads like a meme.

People in power now notice what's going on, and think to themselves "Hmm, this new movement is defined by X, and that's almost in line with my goals, so maybe I can use them to further my ends."

But people in power are all labelled as Democrats or Republicans, so now the media applies the polarizing filter of American politics to associate movement X with one of the parties.

The original movement has now been labelled X, and associated with a political party, and none of this happened because of any 'government conspiracy.' It just happened because that's what you get as output when you plug something new into the American political system."

Thanks to Whiskey With My Coffee, Feed the Protest, The Free Patriot Press, OccupyWallSt.org, Don't Feed the Animals, Politics in Zeros and all the other redditors who have been shared this letter.

Note: While I appreciate interviews, speaking and event invitations, I must respectfully decline them all.

http://www.reddit.com/r/occupywallstreet/comments/kyjo2/an_open_letter_and_warning_from_a_former_tea/

[Unchainme]

Well, it's not exactly Kent State, but we now have cops punching women in the face and running over demonstrators with their motorcycles and then beating the crap out of them to the point of hospitalization.

Is that what Donnie Deutschbag had in mind?

Kent State is a weird situation.

A lot of those who were actually involved with the protests were not from the University itself.

and the days prior they had pretty much done things like burned down the ROTC building, and in general were assholes.

Now, opening fire on those who are unarmed is an asshole move, and that's whats most remembered. James Rhodes is looked upon as the ultimate textbook Nixon Croney. He fucked up. But, yeah, it's remembered as this supposed peaceful protest and it was far from it.

From what I can recall as well, the a couple that were shot were not actually in the protest itself (making it even more tragic)

If you want a more favorable and better comparison to make a statement, go off what Gahndi and MLK Jr. did and the protests they led. Both were great men and were able to make a great statement against their injustice without resorting to violence. Also, what was more successful in this country in the long run? What's looked upon more positively in the annals of history?

[Blaze]

Occupy Wall Street is resistance movement with people of many colors, genders and political persuasions. The one thing we all have in common is that We Are The 99% that will no longer tolerate the greed and corruption of the 1%. We are using the revolutionary Arab Spring tactic to achieve our ends and encourage the use of nonviolence to maximize the safety of all participants.

Occupy Together is Occupations springing up across the country in solidarity with Occupy Wall St.