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  • Nitro Express
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Aug 2004
    • 32942

    Originally posted by FORD
    Our local station dropped Glenn Beck's radio program and replaced him with Sean Hannity. I think Beck went so coo coo that even the large Mormon population in eastern Idaho and western Wyoming no longer could stand him. I guess he came here this summer for a fishing trip. He should come now and go hunting with Dick Cheney. Lot's of goose hunting going on. A perfect situation to have another hunting accident.

    I really see a pattern here. The right wing is overhyping the dangers of the Wall Street protests just like the left wing overhypes the dangers of the Tea Party. I think both movements started legitimately with normal people and then the Republican Party overtook the Tea Party and ruined it and the left are trying to take over the Wall Street thing. In reality everyone got screwed by the banks and everyone is pissed. It's not just a left wing deal. More divide and conquer propaganda trying to keep the little guys arguing with each other so they can't organize anything to challenge what the banks have already bought off. What would scare these bankers shitless is if so called right wingers and left wingers organized together against Wall Street. They would shit their pants because they can't control that situation. One reason I ignore these left and right wing propaganda cheer leaders.
    Last edited by Nitro Express; 10-12-2011, 04:57 AM.
    No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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    • Seshmeister
      ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

      • Oct 2003
      • 35777

      I advocate violence against Glenn Beck

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      • BITEYOASS
        ROTH ARMY ELITE
        • Jan 2004
        • 6530

        Originally posted by Seshmeister
        I advocate violence against Glenn Beck
        I'll one-up you and advocate hilarious violence against Glenn Beck. Specifically I want him beaten over the head with a giant rubber dildo. [

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        • Seshmeister
          ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

          • Oct 2003
          • 35777

          I'm sure he would burst into tears the minute you pulled it out.

          So to speak...

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          • Nitro Express
            DIAMOND STATUS
            • Aug 2004
            • 32942

            Originally posted by Seshmeister
            I advocate violence against Glenn Beck
            I advocate a straight jacket, lot's of prozac and a long stay at the state mental hospital.
            No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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            • Nitro Express
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • Aug 2004
              • 32942


              I'm sure he would burst into tears


              Here's the caring compassion he claims he has.
              Last edited by Nitro Express; 10-12-2011, 11:10 AM.
              No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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              • FORD
                ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                • Jan 2004
                • 59661

                The one thing everyone - regardless of political affiliation or ability to join a protest - can do without much effort is, if you have an account at Chase, Bank of America, Shittibank, or some other Wall Street Fascist predatory institution, close it out immediately, and put your money elsewhere. Credit union would be the best option. A local bank would be the next best thing, if you can find one that's doing well, and not likely to get swallowed up by these predatory whores in the near future. If there's anyone here from North Dakota, you have a state bank. Hopefully other states will do the same.

                I'm not saying this will necessarily break these predatory bastards, but it would certainly serve further notice that the People have taken enough of their bullshit.
                Eat Us And Smile

                Cenk For America 2024!!

                Justice Democrats


                "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                • Nitro Express
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Aug 2004
                  • 32942

                  Originally posted by FORD
                  The one thing everyone - regardless of political affiliation or ability to join a protest - can do without much effort is, if you have an account at Chase, Bank of America, Shittibank, or some other Wall Street Fascist predatory institution, close it out immediately, and put your money elsewhere. Credit union would be the best option. A local bank would be the next best thing, if you can find one that's doing well, and not likely to get swallowed up by these predatory whores in the near future. If there's anyone here from North Dakota, you have a state bank. Hopefully other states will do the same.

                  I'm not saying this will necessarily break these predatory bastards, but it would certainly serve further notice that the People have taken enough of their bullshit.
                  That's exactly what people need to do. Fortunately we have some good banks and credit unions here to do business with. Keep your money as local as possible. The big banks get 0% interest money from the Federal Reserve and then they play high roller with that money. That's why we had a rallying stock market while losing jobs. Funny money at play. I'm getting a whiff the Obama administration is going to try and put some attention on Iran Dick Cheney style to distract the country from the problems and the Fast and Furious scandal. They are going to do some more dog wagging it looks like by the sounds of Biden. The neocons never left, they just brought in the second shift.
                  No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                  • Seshmeister
                    ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                    • Oct 2003
                    • 35777

                    Originally posted by FORD
                    The one thing everyone - regardless of political affiliation or ability to join a protest - can do without much effort is, if you have an account at Chase, Bank of America, Shittibank, or some other Wall Street Fascist predatory institution, close it out immediately, and put your money elsewhere. Credit union would be the best option. A local bank would be the next best thing, if you can find one that's doing well, and not likely to get swallowed up by these predatory whores in the near future. If there's anyone here from North Dakota, you have a state bank. Hopefully other states will do the same.

                    I'm not saying this will necessarily break these predatory bastards, but it would certainly serve further notice that the People have taken enough of their bullshit.
                    It's a great sentiment and good luck with it but I'm afraid that personal banking is a very small part of these bastard's business.

                    The only way to fix it and it will never happen is an international deal in the West to legislate a framework to control their extreme cuntiness.

                    If you want to avoid paying tax, flouting the law, selling shit to your customers whilst making money on the fact it is shit, gambling and plain fucking up then you have to explain to your wife and kids that you need to live in Somalia because the civilized countries don't want you.

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                    • FORD
                      ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                      • Jan 2004
                      • 59661

                      Yeah, as I've said before, we need to roll back pretty much every economic/tax/trade policy passed after 1980 and go back to what actually worked for the 99%.
                      Eat Us And Smile

                      Cenk For America 2024!!

                      Justice Democrats


                      "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                      • FORD
                        ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                        • Jan 2004
                        • 59661

                        The Occupy Wall Street Movement and the Coming Demise of Crony Capitalism
                        Tuesday 11 October 2011
                        by: Ravi Batra, Truthout | News Analysis

                        In 1978, to the laughter of many and the derision of a few, I wrote a book called, "The Downfall of Capitalism and Communism," which predicted that Soviet communism would vanish around the end of the century, whereas crony or monopoly capitalism would create the worst-ever concentration of wealth in its history, so much so that a social revolution would start its demise around 2010. My forecasts derived from the law of social cycles, which was pioneered by my late teacher and mentor, P. R. Sarkar. Lo and behold, Soviet communism disappeared right before your eyes during the 1990s, and now, just a year after 2010, middle-class America, spearheaded by a movement increasingly known as "Occupy Wall Street (OWS)," is beginning to revolt against Wall Street greed and crony capitalism. Will the revolt succeed? It surely will, because the pre-conditions for its success are all there.

                        The first question is this: Why does rising wealth disparity create poverty? My answer is that it causes overproduction and hence unemployment and destitution. It is all a matter of supply and demand. Inequality goes up when official economic policy does not allow wages to catch up with the ever-growing labor productivity, so that profits soar and rising productivity increasingly raises the incomes and bonuses of business executives. I have detailed this process in an earlier article. Then money sits idly in the vaults of bankers and big-business CEOs and restrains consumer demand, leading to overproduction and hence layoffs. The toxic combination of mounting layoffs and absent job creation raises poverty, which, according to official figures, is now the highest in 50 years.

                        The next question is: how has the government either restrained wages relative to productivity or made the rich richer and the poor poorer? It is easy to see that almost all official economic measures adopted since 1981 and contained in the following list have devastated the middle class. The list includes:

                        1. The Reagan income tax cut of 1981 that benefited the rich, but made it necessary to sharply raise all other federal taxes, paid mostly by the poor and the middle class, to finance that tax cut.

                        2. Unenforced antitrust laws, leading to mergers among large and profitable firms, but killing high-paying jobs in numerous industries.

                        3. Permitting the oil industry mergers in the 1990s that are now preventing oil prices from falling in the middle of the worst slump since the 1930s.

                        4. Permitting relentless mergers among pharmaceuticals and health insurance companies, so that America, far more than any other nation, now spends almost 15 percent of its gross domestic product (GDP) on health care that is mediocre by European and Japanese standards.

                        5. Unchecked use of outsourcing that kills high-paying jobs in manufacturing and services.

                        6. Ignoring the growth of the trade deficit that has destroyed our manufacturing base.

                        7. The 1999 repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act under President Clinton that led to reckless lending by banks and an unprecedented housing bubble, which collapsed in 2007 to trigger the ongoing slump.

                        8. The Bush tax cuts and bailouts that further benefited the rich while nearly doubling the government debt.

                        9. And finally, the decimation of the real minimum wage by President Reagan and other Republicans. (In 1981 the hourly minimum wage bought $8 worth of goods compared to $6 by the end of Reagan' presidency in 1988, and to mere $5.15 in 2006 under Bush.)

                        Looking at this nine-point list, is there any government program that a big business CEO would hate? Stated another way, is there any measure that has helped the middle class? I can't think of any. Thus, over the past three decades whatever the government did, ostensibly to help the people, actually ended up hurting them. Mergers, outsourcing and free trade raise productivity, but also lower wages, whereas the other provisions of the above list directly enrich the wealthy. The nine-point list is really a list of exploitation.

                        Let us now look at President Obama's record since January 2009 when he took office. The president's first act was to engineer another bailout, à la George W. Bush. The idea was that the $800 billion package of assisting banks and faltering industries would save or create some four million jobs. Did the measure succeed in its avowed purpose?

                        According to the latest estimate from the Congressional Budget office, the bailout created nearly 1.5 million jobs. Even if we accept the administration's claim of four million, the bailout was extremely wasteful and enormously enriched the rich. Dividing 800 billion by four million yields 200,000. In other words, the government spent $200,000 to create one job. When the average wage is less than $50,000 per year, where did the other $150,000 go? This suggests that companies that hired those four million people received $150,000 for each job they created. Thus, three-fourths of the bailout, or $600 billion, went to businesses, and a mere one-fourth benefited the unemployed. This is the best case for the Obama measure. It is clear that the bailouts, Bush's and Obama's, were extremely wasteful and hugely enriched the opulent.

                        The fact is that government deficits are not working and have always benefited the wealthy. Not surprisingly, the fastest and the sharpest rise in income and wealth inequality has occurred since 1981, when the culture of mega-deficits first began. Lasting prosperity occurs only when wages rise in proportion to productivity, as was the case through much of American history, especially from 1940 to 1980. Whenever wages trail productivity, debt and profits soar, only to be followed by overproduction and soaring poverty and misery for the middle class. Such was the case in the 1920s and the 1930s and such again has been the case since 1981.

                        If President Obama really wants to create millions of jobs, then all the economic measures adopted since Reagan's presidency must be abandoned. Of course, the Republicans would oppose him tooth and nail in this resolve; they would scream about the president hurting job creators, who in fact are job destroyers. Big business has decimated American jobs through mega-mergers, outsourcing, oil speculation and by shifting factories to Mexico and China. The nation can only prosper if the destructive ability of job destroyers is restrained through increased taxes or the creation of free markets.

                        When the government bails out mega banks and Wall Street firms, it amounts to shooting the economy in the foot. Our president seeks to bring about change, which was his campaign slogan. But once elected, he got sidetracked by thinking that change is possible through compromise. This has never happened before. Never in history have the exploited prospered by cooperating with the exploiter.

                        Compromise is what produced the government's nine-point list of measures described above. The Republicans were able to impose these measures whenever some Democrats compromised with them. When Reagan raised the gasoline tax and excise taxes in 1982, it was through the cooperation of the Democrats, who cooperated again in 1983 when Social Security and self-employment taxes went up sharply to pay for the massive income tax cut of 1981. The repeal of the Glass-Stiegel Act, the Bush tax cuts and bailout were all the handiwork of Republican lawmakers and right-wing Democrats.

                        America does not need another dose of increased government spending, but a rational economic policy that generates free-market capitalism to take the place of the current monopoly capitalism. In 1776, the nation declared independence; coincidentally, the same year Adam Smith, the father of modern economics, demonstrated how small businesses generate lasting prosperity for all, not just a privileged few. That is what we need again. It is well known that small firms have created the bulk of American jobs in recent years. This is then the best argument for breaking up business conglomerates not only to create jobs, but also to lower the oil price and the cost of health care.

                        The government should also adopt strong, not toothless, measures to eliminate the trade deficit, which is now running at $500 billion per year. This alone will create five million manufacturing jobs. Eliminating the trade deficit will raise US GDP by the same amount, and to produce that much output, new workers will be needed. Suppose it costs a business $100,000 to hire a worker, including salary, benefits and profit. Dividing 500 billion by 100,000 yields five million. In other words, eliminating the trade shortfall will generate five million new jobs, paying the average wage and benefits.

                        The trade deficit can be eliminated by setting up a low export-exchange rate, the way China and other Asian nations have done. But first, the government must see the value of balancing our trade and then proper economic policy can be devised to reach the goal.

                        Outsourcing is now the biggest job destroyer. The government should impose a hefty tax on this practice. This way, if a company has to outsource some work, it will compensate the nation for creating joblessness in the economy. Finally, we need to eliminate the federal budget deficit. This can be done by repealing the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy and by enacting a small tax on financial transactions, while preserving crucial programs for the retirees. There is no reason to cut Social Security and Medicare, because President Reagan raised taxes sharply to guarantee the benefits to retiring baby boomers. In short, President Obama should do away with the nine-point list of exploitation mentioned above. He will then be able to bring about the change that he promised during the election campaign in 2008.

                        Einstein once defined insanity as doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. By now, we should know that excessive government spending is one such insanity. It creates very few jobs and primarily benefits the rich. In fact, I have shown mathematically to some audiences that, under reasonable assumptions, increased government debt goes completely into the pockets of the opulent. As the latest piece of evidence, from September 2010 to September 2011, the deficit rose $600 billion, but only 400,000 jobs were added.

                        I call upon the OWS movement to demand that the above nine-point list of exploitation be repealed, so that a free-market capitalism of small firms is reborn. This will strengthen the president's hand and enable him to face Republican lies and tactics that are only meant to further weaken the economy and force the president out of power. We need to make sure that Mr. Obama is re-elected, provided he accepts the repeal agenda, because the Republicans always do the same thing over and over, namely make the rich richer and the poor poorer. Additionally, we should also work to defeat Republican incumbents and rightist Democrats who will compromise to maintain the status quo and possibly cut Medicare.

                        Our efforts are bound to succeed. I am an economist and historian and made many forecasts in the past about the economy and social change. While 5 percent of my economic forecasts have been wrong, to my knowledge I have never made an error about forecasting a revolution. My latest estimate is that monopoly capitalism will go the way of Soviet communism by 2016.

                        O' brave protesters of the OWS movement, your effort will not only shape the 2012 elections, they will also end, once and for all, the brutality of the rich and powerful, who are responsible for the sorry state you are in. The change that you are about to bring will be glorified as what Abraham Lincoln did for black Americans. I hope that, with your support, Mr. Obama will be the harbinger of that change.

                        Creative Commons License

                        This work by Truthout is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial 3.0 United States License.

                        Ravi Batra

                        Ravi Batra is a professor of economics at Southern Methodist University, Dallas. This article is based on his two books, "The New Golden Age" and "Greenspan's Fraud." His web site is ravibatra.com.


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                        Dr. Batra is also a frequent guest on Thom Hartmann's radio show. Always has interesting analysis of economic matters when he's on. Hope Thom invites him back soon to talk about where this is all going......
                        Eat Us And Smile

                        Cenk For America 2024!!

                        Justice Democrats


                        "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                        • Seshmeister
                          ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                          • Oct 2003
                          • 35777

                          For a historian he's very optimistic. Insanely so.

                          Kind of weird for a historian to buy into the Lincoln myth to that extent too.

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                          • Dr. Love
                            ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 7833

                            Good slogan going around that really sums it up -- Separation of Corporation and State
                            I've got the cure you're thinkin' of.

                            http://i.imgur.com/jBw4fCu.gif

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                            • FORD
                              ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                              • Jan 2004
                              • 59661

                              The bumper sticker is already out there apparently.....

                              Eat Us And Smile

                              Cenk For America 2024!!

                              Justice Democrats


                              "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                              • BigBadBrian
                                TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                                • Jan 2004
                                • 10625

                                “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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