Did Ed feel threatened by Yngwie?

[eddie78]

Originally posted by jhale667
Yes, his technique is better, but so is his vibrato and note selection...



Let's not go that far, Sparky. Your house is looking a little glassy in this debate as well....

Your an idiot, Junior.

Yngwie has no concept of note selection, though his vibrato is decent.
Listen to Ritchie bend the strings in "stone cold" before you talk out your ass about vibrato.

Next!

[eddie78]

Originally posted by dave_is_vh
Here is a fool proof test for identifying people who think the USA is the only country in the world:

If the person says things like "only musicians like Yngwie", you know that person does not realize there are other countries on this planet of ours.

Dude, can you read?

I'm defending Ritchie Blackmore & giving props to Ulrich Roth & Michael Schenker, along with Ed.

Are all those guys from Sunny California?

Just because i think Yngwie is a pretentious wanker, doesn't mean i'm shitting all over Europe.

...i see Smorg hasn't gotten bored with his gay-ass "pot meet kettle" cliche.
Yeah, i've heard it before & it still sounds retarded.

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by eddie78
How has Yngwie improved upon Ritchie Blackmore, Bueno Bob?
Explain that to me. Sure, Yng can pick faster & cleaner & his technical ability has surpassed that of Blackmore.

Don't have to. You just admitted it yourself.

Are you sure of what side of the fence you're on, here?

Originally posted by eddie78
But your entire argument regarding Malmsteen is based on Technical ability alone.

I'm more interested in his technical ability and compositional skills. I do realize that others are more concerned about his style of dress, how well he fucks and parties like a rock star, etc., but when it comes down to personal preference on my part, I like to judge a musician by the body of his work.

Hey, sue me.

Originally posted by eddie78
You havent pointed out any groundbreaking songs by Yng,

I've pointed out numerous examples. Stay on target...

Originally posted by eddie78
any compositions that have appealed to the masses like classic era VH.

The debate isn't about whether it appeals to the masses, it's about who is technically superior on the instrument, PERIOD.

Got it yet? How many times do I have to say it?

Originally posted by eddie78
Christ, there isn't one, Bob. You & i both know that.

Alright, you win.

The mark of guitar ability is how well you appeal to the masses. If you don't appeal to the masses, you're not a good musician.

And millions of unsigned artists wept...

Originally posted by eddie78
How has Yngwie improved upon Ritchie, is the question, though.
Let's consider this, Bob. Ritchie has a slew of classic material with Purple & Rainbow.

And he's got a slew of shit as well.

Point is...what?

Originally posted by eddie78
He has written the most copied guitar riff of all time & contributed immensley to deset island discs like Machine Head. Yngwie has released Unleash the Fury...hmmm. You are merely blinded by technique, which is only one part of great guitar playing.

Technique, skill, aptitude, ability - THAT is what I'm debating.

Most others seem to be concerned about his clothes and whether he's had any hits or not.

It's basic math here. Has Uli Jon Roth had any hits? No? No songs that stick out in the public consciousness? How about Adrian Legg? How about Jason Edwards? How about a million other guitarists, EXCELLENT MUSICIANS, who have never had a hit or aren't household names?

The "he's not a celebrity, and he doesn't have hit songs, and that makes him worse than Eddie!" argument is ridiculous and I won't even address it anymore. It's just too stupid to respond to.

Originally posted by eddie78
Just because some fat swedish guy can sweep pick fast arpeggios does not make him an "improvement" on a truly legendary player like Ritchie Blackmore. You have no argument in this debate.

Well, if I said Yngwie is a poopyhead, would that be any better of an argument? How about if I attack his lack of hit singles and the way he dresses?

Yeah, THAT'S a great argument...but at least it's not a debate about style, technique, application, overall skill and general ability - no, those aren't arguments, not at all...

[bueno bob]

On a side note?

I've had more fun in this thread than I've had in a Main thread in months...or longer...

Heheheh...

[Greenbuds]

Originally posted by eddie78
Your an idiot, Junior.

Yngwie has no concept of note selection, though his vibrato is decent.
Listen to Ritchie bend the strings in "stone cold" before you talk out your ass about vibrato.

Next!

LOL

Good job!

I love it when a newby gets PWN3D!

[Diamondjimi]

Originally posted by bueno bob
On a side note?

I've had more fun in this thread than I've had in a Main thread in months...or longer...

Heheheh...

Truth be told ,I thought this thread would've faded by now....

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by Greenbuds
LOL

Good job!

I love it when a newby gets PWN3D!

"newby"?

Welcome to life, clueless...

You really are that dense, aren't ya?

[eddie78]

Bueno Bob....where to begin....

My advice to you is get a decent record collection, & learn to differntiate between a dazzling technician and an actual musician.

Christ, even Yngwie's chops arent as awe inspiring as they were back in '85, seeing as every 12 year old on youtube can outpick the (ahem) maestro.

Not many can duplicate Ed's natural feel, swing & phrasing, though.
Not many can capture his spontanaeity & overall uniqueness, though they can play the obvious stuff like Tapping...

I wonder if Ed's envious he didn't come up with something as catchy as "Disciples of hell" or "on the rox!" LOL.

Poodle strut vs. sophisticated strut...

leave it to Bueno Bob to embrace the former!

Carry on...
The thread has lost it's juevenile charm!

[bueno bob]

Whatever.

Bottom line is that you're obviously not qualified to judge between technical aspects and rock star glamdom because you flit back and forth between being obsessed with how many hits Yngwie's had, how dumb he dresses, how dumb his song titles are and how blazingly easy his material is, while you on the same hand praise Eddie's showmanship, coolness, and vibe.

I would think you can't argue opposite sides of the same argument, but obviously I'm in error there.

I can't argue musical technique with you when you're very obviously obsessed with Eddie's rockstar status, so I leave you to your "Hits" and Eddie's "Party Fashion".

You've not even ONCE remotely come anywhere near answering any of the challenges I left on your doorstep, and I don't have any more patience to try and sway you to at least trying to realize a particular point from a musician's mindset.

Simply put, you've proven time and again that you're just not going to be budged. Eddie has the hits, Eddie has the "cool" factor and frankly, at the end of the day, that's all you come back to. So be it. Yngwie sucks, he's a poopyhead, you don't like him, he's gay and wears dumb clothes and writes big dumb three chord trash that any newborn infant can play while Eddie's material, even with Sammy Hagar, is so mind-numbingly difficult that even the most lifelong, talented and adept player will never copy the ALMIGHTY EDWARD VAN HALEN.

Yes, "eddie78" - you win.

I'll go rush out and buy another 3000 CDs to add to my collection tomorrow so that I can broaden my horizons - or should I just pick up the six pack (again) and consider that the be-all, end-all of guitar playing?

Never mind...I think I got it.

[Matt White]

Silly this has gone on this far.....


EVH was terrified of YNGWIE back in the late 80's....NO QUESTION.....

YNGWIE was the next guitar hero on the block....

was he as good as EVH? No

As good a songwriter? No?

But....do you hear EVH's influence in bands like DRAGONFORCE? TRIVIUM? LAMB OF GOD? MASTADON?

Hmmmmmm.....nope..seems Mr. Malmsteens's influence is still going strong...........

It's comical...really....

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by Matt White
Silly this has gone on this far.....


EVH was terrified of YNGWIE back in the late 80's....NO QUESTION.....

YNGWIE was the next guitar hero on the block....

was he as good as EVH? No

As good a songwriter? No?

But....do you hear EVH's influence in bands like DRAGONFORCE? TRIVIUM? LAMB OF GOD? MASTADON?

Hmmmmmm.....nope..seems Mr. Malmsteens's influence is still going strong...........

It's comical...really....

Preach on, dude...

:D

Yeah, this is long overdue for either a trip to the Dump or State Your Take or whatever...not much in it that necessitates it's place in Main.

Good debate for a while, though...

[eddie78]

There is no debate, Bob.

Why would EVH be terrified of Yngwie?
It's like Jimmy Page being scared of Edward.

Both guys were already legends who had sold millions of albums & had established themselves as artists.

Ed's creating stuff like 1984, playing stadiums, and Yngwie is on Shrapnel records.
Do you think Yng even was even a blip on Ed's radar?
The guy didn't care because he wrote the book & sold a gazillion albums.
Yng wasn't even on the same planet, fer chrissakes?

As for garbage like Dragonforce & Lamb of God...
you really think Ed wants to be held accountable for that?

Dragonforce arent songwriters, but technicians...
It's like kids doing tricks on skateboards.

Do you honestly think shit like Dragonforce or "Marching out" will ever have the same impact & timeless quality as VH's debut?

Bob, pry your 'ead outta your ass & in the words of your hero Yngwie "cheeseburger plate" Malmsteen...please...see the light, tonight!

[jhale667]

Originally posted by eddie78
Your an idiot, Junior.

Yngwie has no concept of note selection, though his vibrato is decent.
Listen to Ritchie bend the strings in "stone cold" before you talk out your ass about vibrato.

Next!

First of all,
an idiot, Junior .
Very familiar with Rainbow, Slappy. You can't compare some AOR shit with a cool solo like 'Stone Cold' to something like "Icaraus Dream Suite" or "Evil Eye" and even TRY to talk to me about Yngwie having "no concept of note selection", that just proves you're a dumbass.
Are you even a guitar player,or just a pompous uninformed bitch spouting on the internet? Sounds more likely to be the latter. One that's incapable of using a contraction in a sentence, as well.
I question whether Ed was ever "intimidated" by anyone save his admitted Holdsworth worship (and Lynch in the early days) after he became successful , but all then comments deriding Malmsteen's ability or impact are just asinine.

And yes, "Rising Force" WILL be in there with VH's debut among the 'Most groundbreaking guitar albums of the 20th century', stupid.
It was nominated for a Grammy fer cryin' out loud...

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by eddie78
There is no debate, Bob.!

Exactly. Which is why I'm not debating this with you anymore. You've utterly drawn a blank whenever I've put numerous examples and questions at your door and fallen back on idiocy, so debate is, indeed, over.

It's a waste of my time to try and educate the willfully ignorant. Go spin OU812 and rock out, dude. My treat.

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by jhale667
And yes, "Rising Force" WILL be in there with VH's debut among the 'Most groundbreaking guitar albums of the 20th century', stupid.
It was nominated for a Grammy fer cryin' out loud...

Don't even bother with this shit-wit. Numerous examples have been thrown into his face, proving the monumental accomplishments Yngwie's made on this instrument (and most of those within the first couple years of his career), and he ignores all of it, just falls back on who has the most hits, star power, and best clothing selection.

He doesn't have any idea what he's talking about...he's just another goon swinging from Ed's cock...

Arguing logic with them is about as easily accomplished as keeping Brittany's underwear on for any extended duration.

Not even worth trying.